Athlon 64 vs. Apple G5 Systems: Not Even Close (chart)

[RobDreugan]

clarification on what you mean?

What he means is, and its an ok point, but not really realistic, is that with pc's..typically you have enough upgradability, to over time, upgrade component after component, cheaply, w/o having to build an entire system.

The flaw of that statement is that, first you won't have the same computer for 10 years. Regardless of how many different things u upgrade, you will eventually have a completely different system. My athlon 1.2 has been with me for ...I dunno 4 years...maybe. And ya, I've upgraded nearly all the components, short of the processor, over the years. it is nice to be able to do that, and the only flaw of macs, which from my understanding was going to change with the G5, when faster processors came out, is that when u buy a mac, you have the case, MB, and Chip forever.

He's trying to make a price comparison, and saying that pc's are more cost effective, and I'm not sure I can completely disagree, but he's full of it, if he really thinks a system is going to last more than 4 years, and be able to effectively run applications that are high end at the time they come out down the road.

You will inevitably have a completely different system, that will in general cost less than the mac, but I can't say that makes it better.

 

[GummiRaccoon]

I was actually comparing to the guy that says he knows people that have been using the same mac for ten years. Well, that's fine, but there is no way in **** those ten year old machines will run ANY current application to any sort of satifactory level.

The system I have been using is a 1.2 duron. Originally it was a pentium 133. I know that sounds crazy but they way that I've upgraded it has slowly turned into the machine it is now, currently the only comonent that is the same is the floppy drive, But it has indeed been a long slow evolution for my machine. And over time I have created 2 extra computers. Which I have given my brothers... All in all over the last 9 years I've spent maybe 1000 dollars.

Despite all that I've written in the forum. I really like macs, there is no way anyone can complain about the 24" cinematic display either, it's just beautiful. Like I said, I post on other forums and I complain just as much about AMD and M$. I don't complain about linux cuz, I've never used it.

Apple has 2 flaws as a company, and they are big ones. 1 they allow no competition 2 they lie, a lot.

 

[Emrys]

So your real world computer experience consitsts of upgrading 1 machine and building 2 others? Just wanna make sure I got that right.

 

[GummiRaccoon]

So your real world computer experience consitsts of upgrading 1 machine and building 2 others? Just wanna make sure I got that right.

Dude, you've got to be joking. Yes, my whole life consists of the 3 total computers that I have actually purchased.

I've been the user of well over 100 different macs (up to and including a G5), I've built WELL over 100 pcs, I've worked on even more than that. I've worked on many servers, and workstations, I've set up many servers for various reasons. You name it, I've done it. (except linux)

 

[Emrys]

Sorry for the confusion, didn't see anywhere in any of your posts that you were an admin of any kind.

 

[Graphite]

Ive used probly over 1000 different macintoshes in my day, and probly 2000 different PCs in my day. I have been on and off a different machine almost daily.
I have used Linux, Lindows, enough to have a good understanding of them, and I have emersed myself in the UNIX core more than enough to understand it.

I don't know how that makes much of a difference.

People usta buy computers based off $, but with the switchers they are realizing, they should have gotten mac from the start. You can buy a cheap PC that has double the stats, and have it last half the time as a mac that costs the same. Eventually more people will start treating their computers like cars, more people buy cars based off reliability than off of visual speed (aka how fast it looks). Eventually people will start buying computers that are reliable and may not look as fast but accomplish more (aka mhz myth).

Im not sure who that will be but I know macintosh will compete its best.

 

[GummiRaccoon]

Macs are not more reliable than a PC. I have seen some crazy problems. On top of that, I have heard about some problems from a friend of mine who is tech support FOR APPLE.

Anyone who says that apples are more reliable is either LYING or IGNORANT.

I only wrote some of my experience because he asked.

 

[Absolute Zero]

Macs are not more reliable than a PC. I have seen some crazy problems. On top of that, I have heard about some problems from a friend of mine who is tech support FOR APPLE.

Anyone who says that apples are more reliable is either LYING or IGNORANT.

I only wrote some of my experience because he asked.

 

[Graphite]

Macs are not more reliable than a PC. I have seen some crazy problems. On top of that, I have heard about some problems from a friend of mine who is tech support FOR APPLE.

Anyone who says that apples are more reliable is either LYING or IGNORANT.

I only wrote some of my experience because he asked.

 

[rman]

Macs are not more reliable than a PC. I have seen some crazy problems. On top of that, I have heard about some problems from a friend of mine who is tech support FOR APPLE.

Anyone who says that apples are more reliable is either LYING or IGNORANT.

I only wrote some of my experience because he asked.

I beg to differ, I also know a few techs that would dispust your claims. But as we all know we each see the world differently.

 

[Emrys]

Nicely put rman, I think we should leave it at that. This thread could go on and on about this is better than that, etc, etc.

In the end, we all choose what we want, and like, to use. Whether it be a Windows box with choices of a couple different CPU's or a OS X box that utilizes G3/G4/G5 only. It comes down to choice, and nobody will change anybody elses mind no matter how many real or otherwise, stats, benchmarks, experiences, etc you can bring to the table.

Jusy my opinion, feel free to carry in if you desire...

 

[XxWanderer]

Hey everyone,

I just had to put my 2 cents into this. Just to let you know I've been dealing with Macs since 1991 (Apples since 1988) and Windows since 1990 (used DOS in 89). I work in a Music department at a major University in Atlanta Ga. where I support a number of PCs and Macs. Though I prefer PCs (mainly due to interface issues that I have with the Mac OS that haven't been rectified in version 10), I have no real problems with Macs and I have a dual G4 OSX machine sitting in my office that gets a lot of use.

I think that the reason PC users get so crazy about relative performace between the two platforms is because Apple is always so quick to claim the title as the fastest desktop on Earth when there is lots of evidence that says that this is a bit of an exaggeration unless you qualify the statement (fastest Photoshop desktop on Earth). Yeah it's ultimately a jock waving contest but hey, nobody is getting hurt, and normally a lot of good information comes out regarding both platforms.

A lot of PC enthusiasts only think in speed simply because that's the only thing that holds them back. They have unlimited hardware and software choices so ultimately speed becomes what seperates the men from the boys. Mac users generally find the Mac interface worth operating at slower speeds but love to be able to shut up the PC guys when they can claim speed superiority. Ultimately these speed differences are academic unless you're a professional whose time is really money. In that case, speed is important and cost is secondary.

Of course speed again has to do with processing power and the user's ability to send work to the processor. If the user can get things done faster for processing on a Mac then that may make up for the raw speed between the two systems. I personally think that it's all in the eye of the beholder. I've had annoying problems with PCs and Macs over the years and my personal experience has been that a properly configured PC is less prone to screw up software-wise than a properly configured Mac, but a Mac has less random hardware screw ups. Your Mileage may vary.

I think that AMD fans are perturbed at the fact that Apple compares its chips to Xeons and claims a total performance crown when the Opteron wipes the floor with the Xeon in many aspects and is 64-bit capable to boot. The Opterons also scale like crazy due to the integrated memory controllers making them absolute beasts in database applications and anything else that is memory intensive. They also have strong fpus as opposed to the notoriously weak P4 ones. This understandably annoys these guys.

In the end though, I think that these debates are best when the participants don't take this stuff too seriously but don't blow it off either. Everyone can learn something and gain some respect for the "other" side.

 

[Emrys]

Welcome aboard XxWanderer... Nice perspective. A lot of valid points.

 

[GummiRaccoon]

I'd have to agree with a lot what Xx says. I'd have to say the biggest problem us AMDers have with apple on amd forums is their users. And the people who run the company, AKA jobs. I have a lot of respect for woz though. I think arguements like this actually are good, it's the main reason I switched from intel to amd....

Here is a .wmv made by a mac user. tp://site54815.dellhost.com/mac.wmv (outdated link removed)

 

[onscreen]

No point saying who is the fastest or who sucks and stuff. Those are real childish work!

each side has the good and the bad. Mac has a robust design and parts. Pc has a friendly interface on customization. I love my Mac so do PC... coz what they can do is to enrich and fasten our life in BOTH ways.. the Penguin and Apple way... (thats for me)

I dont read those crappy spam or who vs who charts.
no point.

 

[Graphite]

I'd have to agree with a lot what Xx says. I'd have to say the biggest problem us AMDers have with apple on amd forums is their users. And the people who run the company, AKA jobs. I have a lot of respect for woz though. I think arguments like this actually are good, it's the main reason I switched from intel to amd....

Here is a .wmv made by a mac user. tp://site54815.dellhost.com/mac.wmv. (outdated link removed)

yah, ok buddy, I have heard that before, and I know that cannot be a real apple user.
And all I need is one reason. He doesn't sound like he's ever worked on a mac in his life.

 

[rman]

yah, ok buddie, I have heard that before, and I know that cannot be a real apple user.
And all I need is one reason. He doesn't sound like hes ever worked on a mac in his life.

Why is he dissing the Apple computer, if it took an Apple computer to make the video?

I find some of the problems he gave were wrong.

 

[GummiRaccoon]

Why is he dissing the Apple computer, if it took an Apple computer to make the video?

I find some of the problems he gave were wrong.

AH, We've switched into the denial stage now, How fantastic!

 

[rman]

AH, We've switched into the denial stage now, How fantastic!

That funny, because for I was a Mac man, I was Unix man. To this day I am a mac and Unix man. So no denial here. Unfortunately I have to use a PC to access my work intranet. Their VPN software is is PC based, I have no choice in the matter.

 

[Graphite]

AH, We've switched into the denial stage now, How fantastic!

See now you are just being childish, and not realizing what we are really doing. We are refuting your claim.

Or could we just say you are in denial to the Mac and PC argument? See, the blade cuts both ways pal, please when you make an attempt to an argument, at the least please try to make it coherent and valid. How FANTASTIC!

sigh* this thread really is server no further purpose.