So who has Yosemite Installed? Whats your thoughts?

[Lifeisabeach]

OUCH! I had read that TRIM did not work as yet in Yosemite and to me that is a large deal if you have an SSD!

At least one 3rd party developer got it to work, but you have to disable kext code signing.

Status of Trim Enabler in Yosemite | Cindori

 

[chas_m]

Success! Finally, Mail can send emails through my Gmail account. I fooled with the port numbers after seeing that Outlook's auto-setup (which worked wonderfully) had a different port number. Changed the SMTP port number to 465 and forced Mail not to "automatically detect and maintain account settings."

Great news! I should have guessed Outlook was involved ...

 

[cwa107]

Holy crow.... I had no idea about the kext-signing issue. No wonder TRIM enabler blew everything up:

Trim Enabler and Yosemite | Cindori

 

[dtravis7]

Holy crow.... I had no idea about the kext-signing issue. No wonder TRIM enabler blew everything up:

Trim Enabler and Yosemite | Cindori

So you going to stick with Mavericks for now?

That is just wrong what they are doing. I know I will get FLAK for this, but sorry.

 

[vansmith]

Great news! I should have guessed Outlook was involved ...

Well, I was lucky having Outlook on my machine so I could use it's auto configuration to get the proper settings that Apple Mail butchered. Thanks Outlook.

Holy crow.... I had no idea about the kext-signing issue. No wonder TRIM enabler blew everything up:

Trim Enabler and Yosemite | Cindori

I get why Apple goes Draconian on security (I don't necessarily agree in all instances but that's besides the point) but I hadn't considered how this would affect hardware developers, nor did I know that this was a "global" ban on kext manipulation.

 

[drumvudu]

OUCH! I had read that TRIM did not work as yet in Yosemite and to me that is a large deal if you have an SSD!

Trim is working just as always on my machine ( Late 2008 Macbook 2.4 core 2 duo *G's RAM OWC Electra Mercury SSD Using Trim Enabler)




A new update just came out today as well but it was working fine before that on my machine.

 

[cwa107]

I get why Apple goes Draconian on security (I don't necessarily agree in all instances but that's besides the point) but I hadn't considered how this would affect hardware developers, nor did I know that this was a "global" ban on kext manipulation.

I think this may also explain why my Wacom Bamboo is also rendered incompatible by this update. It would really hinder third party hardware development if Apple doesn't relax this stance and/or open-source the AHCI drivers.

 

[Lifeisabeach]

Great news! I should have guessed Outlook was involved ...

If "by involved" you mean "helped him show what the correct settings are", then yeah, it was involved. *rolls eyes*

 

[cwa107]

Trim is working just as always on my machine ( Late 2008 Macbook 2.4 core 2 duo *G's RAM OWC Electra Mercury SSD Using Trim Enabler)




A new update just came out today as well but it was working fine before that on my machine.

Interesting. I had the TRIM Enabler on my machine (the same version you depict). Setup detected its presence and told me that it was moved to the incompatible software folder. Then, following the install, I went looking through the applications folder and noticed it was sitting out there. So, I figured "what the heck, let's give it a try". After a long pause for a reboot, the machine came up with the "NO" symbol - identical to what the developer shows in that blog article I referenced earlier.

At that point, it was about 11pm... and being that I'm currently on my on-call rotation (probably not the best time to screw around with a new OS, admittedly), I decided to just back off.

 

[drumvudu]

Interesting. I had the TRIM Enabler on my machine (the same version you depict). Setup detected its presence and told me that it was moved to the incompatible software folder. Then, following the install, I went looking through the applications folder and noticed it was sitting out there. So, I figured "what the heck, let's give it a try". After a long pause for a reboot, the machine came up with the "NO" symbol - identical to what the developer shows in that blog article I referenced earlier.

At that point, it was about 11pm... and being that I'm currently on my on-call rotation (probably not the best time to screw around with a new OS, admittedly), I decided to just back off.

I had that exact situation you describe happen to my Glims installation but after playing with it a bit when we were still in beta release, I realized that the only part of glims that causes a problem are the tabs features. Turned them off in settings and I get all the great features of Glims I just unfortunately don't get the great tabs features. I'm hopeful they will fix this at some point.

 

[vansmith]

I think this may also explain why my Wacom Bamboo is also rendered incompatible by this update. It would really hinder third party hardware development if Apple doesn't relax this stance and/or open-source the AHCI drivers.

I wonder if that's a case of outdated drivers or system wide kext regulation. Regardless, having read over that linked piece again, I think it's clear that Apple has TRIM support built into their ACHI kext but won't allow others to enable it. If that's not done to protect their bottom line (make us buy their flash drives), it certainly resembles it.

 

[cwa107]

I wonder if that's a case of outdated drivers or system wide kext regulation. Regardless, having read over that linked piece again, I think it's clear that Apple has TRIM support built into their ACHI kext but won't allow others to enable it. If that's not done to protect their bottom line (make us buy their flash drives), it certainly resembles it.

Yeah, they couldn't make the writing on the wall any clearer... you're to buy your disposable Mac once every 3 years and forget that PCs at one time were upgradeable.

Screw that... if something doesn't give, I'm jumping ship. Windows 10 doesn't look half-bad.

 

[vansmith]

Yeah, they couldn't make the writing on the wall any clearer... you're to buy your disposable Mac once every 3 years and forget that PCs at one time were upgradeable.

The non-upgradeable memory of the new Mac Mini is another sign that this is the case. Apple may be doing it slowly but is a consistent march towards having a non-upgradeable package (which I get for some form factors such as the MBA but it doesn't make sense for others). I'm still okay with this now but admittedly, I've never experienced a catastrophic hardware failure that could mean the cost of a new machine.

In the meantime, let's be thankful that Apple hasn't locked down OS X to the point that the App Store becomes the only means to install software.

 

[dtravis7]

Van, are you sure the Mini RAM is no longer upgradable? Do you have a URL? If that is the case, it's over. I had a friend talked into a new mini but he will not get it if the RAM is soldered in. Can you show me where you saw this? Thanks so much!


I agree Chris, Windows 10 is not looking bad!

 

[dtravis7]

Oh my, just found it I think! iFixit!


http://arstechnica.com/apple/2014/1...own-shows-a-sealed-less-upgradeable-redesign/

 

[McBie]

Non-upgrade components make sense to me.
If you want to cram more chips into the same form factor, soldering ram takes less space than RAM slots, whether it is width or height.
Commercially, it is also a smart move.
It is not that Apple will start building crappy machines that last only 3-4 years either.

That is their business model I guess.

Cheers ... McBie

 

[drumvudu]

In the meantime, let's be thankful that Apple hasn't locked down OS X to the point that the App Store becomes the only means to install software.

This is absolutely the ultimate goal as eluded to in Newsweek I believe by Paul Deneke several months ago.

 

[vansmith]

Non-upgrade components make sense to me.
If you want to cram more chips into the same form factor, soldering ram takes less space than RAM slots, whether it is width or height.
Commercially, it is also a smart move.
It is not that Apple will start building crappy machines that last only 3-4 years either.

That is their business model I guess.

Cheers ... McBie

The only issue with this is the lack of certainty when it comes to hardware quality. Any piece of hardware can die in a heartbeat and with no option to replace parts on the part of the user, repairs become expensive endeavours. I know that Apple builds good packages but no hardware is perfect (indeed, Apple has shipped shoddy hardware before).

 

[McBie]

True as well Van, but I am sure failures like that will be covered in Applle's standard warranty ( outside of Applecare )
It will require new thinking of course, but I like the idea.

Cheers ... McBie

 

[vansmith]

If Apple's willing to extend the warranty to cover a significantly longer period of time, that's great. That solves one major problem. I'd still like to change the hardware inside (to upgrade) but since I don't have huge hardware requirement, I imagine I could "bulk up" early on and live with it.