Should I wait?

[Closerframe]

lets go to point 2 now your saying that its cheating because it WAS up-dated ok a guy can change his mind thats cool.

3. Your phone didnt get over looked it got surpassed just as mine did and I wanted the up-date so I bought the 3g. Change is good. I want change to happen. There is nothing unfair in a company wanting to keep people from settling for what they have now , its called capitalism and so far it is the only system that has ever worked in the history of the world. as long as one person has that another wants there will be trade and there will be someone who wants to find something better to trade and so forth and so on. And If I am that 1st guy then you can bet Ill keep improving my product so people will keep buying from me.

Clay

So I should keep on dishing out money every year to stay updated with the latest gadgets, instead of having a gadget that last for a couple years?

 

[Closerframe]

What ? How is that not also Apples duty ? You cant have it both ways.

Clay

If Apple were trying to get consumers from other products say something like a Kindle, than I'd lower the price. Cause all Amazon has to do is release a Kindle 3 with a full color display, and they've got a few million more people on their side. It seems like the only people who will really buy this generation iPad are current hardcore Apple followers.

 

[TattooedMac]

2. Its cheating the guy who bought the iPod the previous year because it adds a feature such as a video camera and/or more storage for the same price that they bought theres for.

Now can you tell me your thinking, to be able to come up with this statement??
I really dont understand it at all. I bought my iPod Touch because i wanted one there and then. If i was in the mind frame of "Oh wait mate. They will bring out a new version and you will miss out" well i would be still be waiting on the newer version.
And secondly not everyone wants/needs something that they are going to bring out in the future. As i said i bought my 16GB iPod Touch when i did because it had everything i needed it to have. Actually it had things i really didnt need at this point in time .....

 

[Closerframe]

Now can you tell me your thinking, to be able to come up with this statement??
I really dont understand it at all. I bought my iPod Touch because i wanted one there and then. If i was in the mind frame of "Oh wait mate. They will bring out a new version and you will miss out" well i would be still be waiting on the newer version.
And secondly not everyone wants/needs something that they are going to bring out in the future. As i said i bought my 16GB iPod Touch when i did because it had everything i needed it to have. Actually it had things i really didnt need at this point in time .....

I wasn't referring to the iPod Touches. There's little to no change that can be possibly done to them. I was referring to the iPod Nanos and iPod Shuffles. If you're telling me an iPod with no buttons on its base, but buttons on the headphones are a good idea, than I guess if you lose your headphones you're screwed.

 

[clayneal]

No I am not saying that at all. I am saying that we choose to purchase devices as we see fit. As they evolve into devices that we just have to have, I try very hard to make the companies I buy from earn my cash. But when they finally toss enough into the pot I call.
In the end it just all comes down to what is important to you. If being the 1st guy on the block to have that shiny new what ever it is then thats cool if you can afford it ( and I was that guy when I was a young man) But if you can be happy with what you have until it just doesn't do what you need and or want it to do , well then I think you will be much happier every time you hear about a product up-date.

Clay

 

[Closerframe]

No I am not saying that at all. I am saying that we choose to purchase devices as we see fit. As they evolve into devices that we just have to have, I try very hard to make the companies I buy from earn my cash. But when they finally toss enough into the pot I call.
In the end it just all comes down to what is important to you. If being the 1st guy on the block to have that shiny new what ever it is then thats cool if you can afford it ( and I was that guy when I was a young man) But if you can be happy with what you have until it just doesn't do what you need and or want it to do , well then I think you will be much happier every time you hear about a product up-date.

Clay

That's what I've basically been trying to get to with my very first post. I don't want an iPad because I don't think Apple has tossed all they have into this device, and if I look at their history than I can see that they're notorious for releasing newer and thinner models of their famous products. So, I can definitely see myself eventually buying an iPad because I wanna have something I can make powerpoints and word documents on, as well as an eReader. I just think more will be added to the iPad's model in the future.

 

[bobtomay]

You can't honestly compare a car company to a computer or electronic distributor. New cars being released each year feature different accessories that weren't available the previous year, and its the duty of a car company to gain consumers from the competing company.

Like I said in a previous post, I'm not dissing Apple. I love both my iPod and iPhone, to a lesser degree. I just don't think one could say the iPad is worth $500.

I most certainly can compare a car company to a computer or electronics manufacturer. Well over 95% of every car introduced every year have not a single accessory that was not available the year before. Please show me a single accessory available on a $20,000 2010 model vehicle that was not available last year.

Oh, maybe you're talking about a car that didn't have a radio, sat radio, navigation system, fog lights, rear seats, rear doors, spoiler, sunroof, moonroof, bigger engine, better gas mileage engine, bucket seats, captains chairs, 3 speed auto, 4 speed auto, 5 speed auto, 3,4,5 speed manual the year before, and now this year it does? I'd like for you to explain to me how this is any different than an iPod not having a camera one year and the next year it has one.

A refrigerator by GE, one year it has a water dispenser, the next a water and ice dispenser, and the next it has water, crushed ice and cubed ice dispensers, the next year the dispenser is lighted - each one the same price as the previous years model - how is this any different?

Printers - there hasn't been any significant change in printers in years. But, every year a new model, with some little thing better than last years - 6 ink tanks instead of 2 - and why didn't they have those 6 tanks last year, well they do this year, I think they should give me the new model since it's the same price as last years 2 ink tank model.

According to your thought, anyone that ever buys anything - if that company continues to invest in R&D and manages to figure out a way to improve their product or just reduce the price it costs them to manufacture it and passes the cost savings on, the consumer has been cheated?

You buy a device, it's up to you to do the research on what it is you are purchasing. You either believe the price that is being asked is worth it and you buy it, or you decide it's not worth it and you don't. There is always going to be a bigger, better model coming around the corner. You buy what you need when you need it. You don't need it don't buy it.
You don't buy it this year, you don't get to enjoy it this year. You buy it this year, you get the enjoyment of a device while those sitting around on the sidelines do not get the enjoyment of it.

 

[clayneal]

That's what I've basically been trying to get to with my very first post. I don't want an iPad because I don't think Apple has tossed all they have into this device, and if I look at their history than I can see that they're notorious for releasing newer and thinner models of their famous products. So, I can definitely see myself eventually buying an iPad because I wanna have something I can make powerpoints and word documents on, as well as an eReader. I just think more will be added to the iPad's model in the future.

And with that I whole heartedly agree with you. Now myself on this one will buy the 1st gen iPad as I have found that it does what I need it to do , and that is replace my beloved iPhone. I have taken a good look at the way I use my iPhone and it turns out that other then talk and text and listen to music in my truck( without bluetooth) are done with it sitting on the couch ! I can talk and text on my razr from'07 and I own an iPod classic so that takes care of those. But really all the other stuff I do on my iPhone form whats on tv to what will the weather be like tomorrow to finially checking todays emails I do from my living room and I will enjoy that much more on that 9.7 inch screen.
Today I sold my 1 year old 3g for 350 bucks and the two months of 165 phone bill that i wont have will pay for the iPad. So apple wins and att doesnt.

Clay

 

[TattooedMac]

I wasn't referring to the iPod Touches. There's little to no change that can be possibly done to them. I was referring to the iPod Nanos and iPod Shuffles.

But the way you worded your statement it pertains to anything you want/need to buy ..

You either believe the price that is being asked is worth it and you buy it, or you decide it's not worth it and you don't. There is always going to be a bigger, better model coming around the corner. You buy what you need when you need it. You don't need it don't buy it.
You don't buy it this year, you don't get to enjoy it this year. You buy it this year, you get the enjoyment of a device while those sitting around on the sidelines do not get the enjoyment of it.

My sediments exactly

 

[the8thark]

You can't honestly compare a car company to a computer or electronic distributor. New cars being released each year feature different accessories that weren't available the previous year, and its the duty of a car company to gain consumers from the competing company.

Like I said in a previous post, I'm not dissing Apple. I love both my iPod and iPhone, to a lesser degree. I just don't think one could say the iPad is worth $500.

I think they are a good comparison. This year's car model or last year's model do basically the same thing. Get you somewhere via the nation's roads. Maybe this year's model does it in a little more style or a little more economically but in the end both cars are providing the same service to you. in the same way. You still have to sit in the driver's seat and use foot peadles, a gear stick and a steering wheel to move the car. it's not like we have cars that drive themselves yet or cars that are electronically driven from a touch screen infront of the driver.

And I think every compay on that entire list does the same. At least you can say Nintendo try to make it's products different in the way you interact with them. From hand held pads like every other game company, they evolved to a remote control like of thing (Wii) and a stylus based touch screen (DS). Sure some of their graphic updates to their hardware is marginal at best (at times) but they revolutionise how you interact with the product.

And Apple is doing the same. Sure the ipad is not a portable Mac Pro. Not even close. But Apple with the ipad is revolutionising how we interact with their products.

And a final point. This revolutionising as I said has a side benefit. It forces game/app developers to use the limited hardware platorm they are provided to do their work. So in the end us consumers end up with streamlined apps/games with little bloat that run very well. And that use up less power/electricity doe to the lower hardware specs.

Bigger/faster/more flashy is not always better. Slimmer/more optimised/more efficient/easier to use to many people is much better.

 

[cuhnool]

The iPod Nano 5th generation is the same as the 4th, except it features a video camera that records 15-minutes of video. I'm just saying I think it would be best if Apple at least waited two years to release a new line of iPods. If one iPod needs a redesign and new updates than its the iPod classic.

I didn't know we were talking about iPods? And that is different hardware. . . lol ( literally laugh out loud).

 

[tiger roach]

Okay, with a $500 price tag it doesn't seem like a fitting price if you're trying to compete with Netbooks;especially if I can get a notebook from Dell for $500. I know Apple is trying to show that Flash is a dead functionality, but most internet games and websites feature Flash.

Tiger Roach, I've never read or heard any reports of Apple saying they aren't gonna release a version 2.0, or not screw over consumers. They do it repeatedly ever year when they release new iPods and iPhones.

I didn't say there wouldn't be a 2.0. The iPad video on the Apple site is where they specifically state that a design goal of the iPad was to release it at a cheap price right off the bat, instead of lowering it later. And yes, I would interpret that as an acknowledgement of how things worked out with the iPhone.

If you are so convinced they are out to screw you, don't buy one.

 

[cwa107]

So I should keep on dishing out money every year to stay updated with the latest gadgets, instead of having a gadget that last for a couple years?

Your gadgets don't last for more than a couple of years?

 

[Kash]

cwa, I was thinking the same thing. I didn't realize that my iPod Nano was not only obsolete within a year, but it also ceased to function. ;P

 

[ZorroAMG]

What a ridiculous argument/thread from the OP. Yes, you are right, apple should be more concerned with YOUR hurt feelings and complaints ("iPhone is a crappy device") instead of THEIR technology advancement, profit bottom line and keeping their investors happy.

Apple isn't a non-profit organization - in case the memo went to your junkmail inbox.

 

[Closerframe]

What a ridiculous argument/thread from the OP. Yes, you are right, apple should be more concerned with YOUR hurt feelings and complaints ("iPhone is a crappy device") instead of THEIR technology advancement, profit bottom line and keeping their investors happy.

Apple isn't a non-profit organization - in case the memo went to your junkmail inbox.

My original, and technically only real concern was whether or not I should wait for an iPad 2.0 to come out. My personal opinion on Apple products obviously hurt people's feelings because they obviously think Apple is a perfect company, and does no wrong.

Your gadgets don't last for more than a couple of years?

iPhone 2G released in 2007. iPhone 3G released in 2008, along with firmware 3.0 which allows picture and video sending, something 2G can't do, so to answer your question, yes, some gadgets don't last for more than a couple years. If we were talking about 360 or PS3 than it would be a big difference.

 

[clayneal]

My original, and technically only real concern was whether or not I should wait for an iPad 2.0 to come out. My personal opinion on Apple products obviously hurt people's feelings because they obviously think Apple is a perfect company, and does no wrong.



iPhone 2G released in 2007. iPhone 3G released in 2008, along with firmware 3.0 which allows picture and video sending, something 2G can't do, so to answer your question, yes, some gadgets don't last for more than a couple years. If we were talking about 360 or PS3 than it would be a big difference.

But you said yourself that you are still using your iPhone so.....
The gadget has lasted more then a couple of years, what hasn't is your love affair with it.

And as far as your attempt to fan the flames by saying that our feelings are hurt is ridiculous , we have merely pointed out what you are unable to grasp is that technology advances and any company that fails to follow is in trouble.

Clay

 

[Closerframe]

But you said yourself that you are still using your iPhone so.....
The gadget has lasted more then a couple of years, what hasn't is your love affair with it.

And as far as your attempt to fan the flames by saying that our feelings are hurt is ridiculous , we have merely pointed out what you are unable to grasp is that technology advances and any company that fails to follow is in trouble.

Clay

I "used" it, but than I just referred to another phone for the time being. I continue to point out that I'm not dissing Apple, I'm just insisting they leave some people in the dark when they find something better. I don't wanna continue bickering for no reason when people keep jumping on my back because I don't adore every decision Apple has made.

I know every company does it, Microsoft more than Apple, I'm just saying regarding the iPhone, it would have been nice to have a phone that can send and receive photos.

 

[clayneal]

I "used" it, but than I just referred to another phone for the time being. I continue to point out that I'm not dissing Apple, I'm just insisting they leave some people in the dark when they find something better. I don't wanna continue bickering for no reason when people keep jumping on my back because I don't adore every decision Apple has made.

I know every company does it, Microsoft more than Apple, I'm just saying regarding the iPhone, it would have been nice to have a phone that can send and receive photos.

I agree with you that it was possible for Apple to incorporate mms into the 1st gen iPhone and have always considered it a mistake on Apples part to under estimate the importance of such a basic feature. I believe they based this discussion on the iPhone being so advance with internet features they just assumed that the ability to email those same photos would be the choice of the future so....

But even thou I agree with you on this point I really do belive that you have missed the mark on the rest of your argument about being left behind by a company when it is simply not the case. You just cant expect apple or anyone to offer the latest support for every product in its line up. At some point you just have to let the older technology fade and move on. Lets not for get that when the iPhone 3g was released it suffered from the same lack of mms that the 1st iPhone did. But it had the hardware to keep moving.

And I dont feel that anyone was jumping on your back , but having a spirited debate on an issue that in my opinion you just were not prepared for . Dont stop voicing your opinions just be ready for them to not always be the opinion of every one here . Thats not a bad thing .
Take care and I hope you enjoy the iPad that started this whole thing

Respectfully
Clay

 

[pigoo3]

My original, and technically only real concern was whether or not I should wait for an iPad 2.0 to come out. My personal opinion on Apple products obviously hurt people's feelings because they obviously think Apple is a perfect company, and does no wrong.

iPhone 2G released in 2007. iPhone 3G released in 2008, along with firmware 3.0 which allows picture and video sending, something 2G can't do, so to answer your question, yes, some gadgets don't last for more than a couple years. If we were talking about 360 or PS3 than it would be a big difference.

Have you heard of those big expensive hunks of metal called Automobiles. All automobiles come out with a new model each & every year.

Now granted...from one year to the next there may not always be BIG changes...but there are usually small changes that owners of the previous years model wishes they had. And then of course there can occasionally be BIG changes from one year to the next.

Updating the features & capabilities of consumer products is just part of doing business whether it's automobiles, big screen TV's, cell phones...or iPhone's & iPod's.

This sort of thing has been going on for year's & year's & year's...and will continue.

- Nick

p.s. And Jeez...let's at least wait until the iPad 1.0 is available for sale to see what it's true positives & drawbacks are before worrying about iPad 2.0!