So who has Yosemite Installed? Whats your thoughts?

[osxx]

I had an issue similar to vansmith 2 years ago and it was the last month of Apple Care ,after hours on the phone 3 trips to the Apple store a replacement of my logic board resolved the issue and that was after they had replaced my HD and ram
1.) Beachballing
2.) Apps crashing
3.) Finder screen going black for a second or two
The diagnostics run at the store showed ok but the tech could clearly see it was not behaving as such.

 

[Rod]

This could be a "Ghost in the System" event. It's starting to become my opinion that we simply can't all upgrade without the possibility of some of us having a problem. This is the law of randomicity. Chaos law at work??

 

[chas_m]

So Van does not know how to use or install OSX on his MBP?

At no point did I suggest anything even remotely like this. Do you put words in other people's mouths for a living, or is it just a hobby of yours?

Search around the Internet, MANY are having issues and worse than Van is having.

In addition to having tested it myself for months on a variety of hardware, I invite you to point to me anywhere on Mac-Forums where the dozens of regulars who have upgraded to Yosemite have had the level of issues VanSmith is having. I'm not challenging him, I'm trying to help him out by helping him troubleshoot.

I so far have not had any of the reported issues on my late 2007 iMac with 6GB RAM but I don't go around saying everyone that is having issues is wrong!

Nor did I. But he did, in fact, claim that Apple shipped a broken OS and said that everyone should downgrade to Mavericks because he's having issues. You have your assumption hat on exactly backwards.

 

[chas_m]

At no point did I suggest that my experiences were universal.

Apart from saying that the interns and custodians wrote the OS.

Oh, and saying:

OS X has become a frustrating experience in terms of productivity.

and

There is no way that I can recommend Yosemite in its current incarnation and I think I'm going to simply say "unless you absolutely need to upgrade to Yosemite, stick with Mavericks for now."

You may not THINK you're inferring that other people must be having similar issues with those statements, but in point of fact that is exactly what you're saying.

And, it is possible that it's not something I did - I like to think I know enough about how to use my Mac that I'd be able to pinpoint the issue after a clean install.

I am extremely confident that it is not likely to be any sort of human error on your part. I was not even attempting to claim that it was your fault; I was pointing out that the level of problems you are having is completely atypical (I've probably read several hundred, if not a thousand, report good and bad about Yosemite over the weekend, and can say your particular issues are atypical with great confidence).

All I was saying is that you seem to be solely blaming Yosemite in your original post, but in reading it I'm seeing that there are pretty obviously other factors at play in the situation there. I have no idea what they are at present, and I'm keenly interested to help troubleshoot and learn what the culprit(s) are. Just like I am with other people here who write in with problems (on any OS version or machine).

Fair enough - there may very well be something at play.

Seems likely to me.

That said, not only do your experiences reflect no more "truth" than my own

As I previously mentioned, I've been helping people deploy Yosemite for months. I'd say some 40 machines or so, ranging from new to several years old. It's not a million test units, but its enough to give me great confidence that Yosemite isn't the sole cause, since absolutely NONE of the machines I've seen running it for the past three months have had anything near the level of problems you describe. That's not, incidentally, the same thing as saying no problems -- beta software is still beta software.

but much of what I've been frustrated with is and has been experienced by others including the distressingly blurry system font (source)

I can only respond to this with a screenshot from my non-retina 2012 MBP. This is Yosemite, in Dark Mode, with a SimpleNote document below the menu bar:



To me, that is not blurry. I cannot offer an explanation of why you're having difficulty there, but at least now you have a point of reference you can perhaps compare to. I have "Use LCD font smoothing when available" checked in General preferences, but perhaps you could try turning that off and see if that makes a difference.

and the inability for Mail to handle known mail credentials for no apparent reason (thus leaving me with the inability to send mail). I'm not saying that I've had no role in this but when much of what I do worked perfectly fine under Mavericks, I'm not the only one to blame.

It was certainly not my intention to BLAME you, just to point out that you're the only person on Mac-Forums with these multiple issues (beyond the two you just mentioned), which at least suggests the problems are not that widespread in the particular combination in which you have them.

I have certainly read of others with Mail issues, and perhaps that is a genuine Mail bug (though again I feel confident the 1M beta testers would have caught something so major, which suggests some possible external factor there). Time and testing will tell. It just seemed to me that you were pronouncing that Yosemite generally sucks (which infers that it would do so for everyone) based on a single reference point, and I was saying "no, that's probably not the case, given these other data points." That's all.

I sincerely hope you are able to troubleshoot the root cause(s) and get back to being productive. I'm nearly as interested as you in figuring out the problem. I hope that's made things clearer.

 

[dtravis7]

Mac Forums is NOT the only place where people report issues. Just for your info. Also did you see the other threads here with people claiming Yosemite destroyed their files and was unusable? They are here. Some seemed a bit Far Fetched to me but I know Van and he knows his stuff. He is not one to mess things up and blame others.

Also just so no one will think otherwise, I am not backing him because he is admin here. I back people who know what they are doing. I have backed YOU in the past more times than you even realize.

Also, Van is a Developer and tester and has been running all the versions also like you and I. There seems like there is something in the final release that is causing a VERY FEW people that I have ran into Issues that the Beta's did not cause. Not sure what it is as I only have my one Mac that will run it and it's fine there.

 

[knightjp]

I like the new dark theme. Looks nice to me. Overall I like the new look of Safari and the programs. The dock is not that great, but with the trend moving towards more simplistic shapes like in their iOS and in other operating systems (Windows), it seems to be right way to go.

 

[cradom]

Personally I think the UI looks like a cartoon. That being said, aside from one minor glitch, I've not had any problems so far.
The one glitch being, trying to delete a file that needed authorization to delete, the authorization dialog didn't pop up and Finder hung up.
Restart cured it.

 

[cwa107]

A friend of mine, who coincidentally bough my 2008 MacBook Pro from me a number of years ago, installed Yosemite yesterday. A few hours later, the display failed and he no longer hears a chime on boot. There is no indicator of a hardware fault, the machine is essentially bricked.

Just curious if anyone else has heard of similar circumstances? The timing just seems awfully coincidental to me.

 

[Lifeisabeach]

Actually I was thinking some text items for me looked fuzzy yesterday. I'm staring more closely now at the various UI elements to figure out why, and it looks like part of the problem may be the BOLD variant of Helvetica Neue. For example, in my menubar, the name of the open app is a bit fuzzy. And yes chas, I know you are a robot with 20/.3 vision, but to a mere mortal like me, the text in the menubar from your screen cap is a tad fuzzy. Maybe "fuzzy" isn't quite the right word, but the letters are too fat and tight together. And looking over on my Desktop, the text labels appear to have a slight drop shadow, adding to the impression of fuzziness. I suspect that Helvetica Neue may be a font that you'd get the best of from a Retina display, but not so much on regular ones.

If anyone is feeling gutsy, maybe the system font can be changed. I see what I "think" is the font being used by the system. The file is HelveticaNeueUI.ttc and it's in /System/Library/Private/Frameworks/ProKit.framework/Versions/A/Resources. If the same file format was used in Mavericks, maybe the old could be renamed and plopped in place of the new one in Mavericks.

 

[Lifeisabeach]

I decided for kicks to put some sample text in Pages with one line using Helvetica's bold variant, the second line in Helvetica Neue's bold variant. Here's a screen cap:



Anyone notice anything? The second line is a tad shorter despite having the same text. Basically that means that Helvetica Neue is a bit more "squashed" than Helvetica is. Additionally, zoom in and look at the differences in some of the letters. The upper case T in Helvetic Neue is thicker than the same on Helvetica. Ditto for the lowercase h, i, and a handful of others. If you take all this into consideration, along with how effects like drop shadows and transparencies can have an effect on how the text is perceived, it should be no surprise that the text does look fuzzier than before.

 

[vansmith]

You may not THINK you're inferring that other people must be having similar issues with those statements, but in point of fact that is exactly what you're saying.

I'm not inferring anything; at no point I have suggested that my experiences are generalizable to all cases. Indeed, recommending that people avoid it is not suggesting that it's universally bad and to suggest that I'm implying that is to say, without question, that I must be objectively wrong and that Yosemite is, without doubt, an amazing release. I'm not as quick to jump on the "Apple makes nothing wrong, everyone else has the issues" bandwagon.

All I was saying is that you seem to be solely blaming Yosemite in your original post, but in reading it I'm seeing that there are pretty obviously other factors at play in the situation there.

I am absolutely blaming Yosemite for I can't believe that the numerous difficulties that I've been experiencing right after a fresh install are nothing more than coincidence.

To me, that is not blurry. I cannot offer an explanation of why you're having difficulty there, but at least now you have a point of reference you can perhaps compare to. I have "Use LCD font smoothing when available" checked in General preferences, but perhaps you could try turning that off and see if that makes a difference.

You and I have different definitions of blurry then because that title name looks horrendous.

It was certainly not my intention to BLAME you, just to point out that you're the only person on Mac-Forums with these multiple issues (beyond the two you just mentioned), which at least suggests the problems are not that widespread in the particular combination in which you have them.

No I'm not. Look at all the Yosemite threads - at least a few mentioned beachballs and weird email issues. In this thread alone, you've got people mentioning the font issue.

It just seemed to me that you were pronouncing that Yosemite generally sucks (which infers that it would do so for everyone) based on a single reference point, and I was saying "no, that's probably not the case, given these other data points." That's all.

I am entitled to think that it's bad. You can't use your own experiences to suggest that my thoughts are wrong. And again, if you want to draw that inference about universality from my post, you're more than welcome too but I never made that claim.

A friend of mine, who coincidentally bough my 2008 MacBook Pro from me a number of years ago, installed Yosemite yesterday. A few hours later, the display failed and he no longer hears a chime on boot. There is no indicator of a hardware fault, the machine is essentially bricked.

Just curious if anyone else has heard of similar circumstances? The timing just seems awfully coincidental to me.

Weird. Has he tried a different/external display? Are there any signs of life?

Maybe "fuzzy" isn't quite the right word, but the letters are too fat and tight together.

The Siracusa review at Ars pointed out that HU has, as you'd expect, different sized characters so in some spots, it has to be stretched or condensed to fit spots where the old font fit perfectly fine. That might explain why you see the font as tight in some spots.

I suspect that Helvetica Neue may be a font that you'd get the best of from a Retina display, but not so much on regular ones.

I'm sure you're right. It would have been nice if Apple provided a fallback.

 

[dtravis7]

A friend of mine, who coincidentally bough my 2008 MacBook Pro from me a number of years ago, installed Yosemite yesterday. A few hours later, the display failed and he no longer hears a chime on boot. There is no indicator of a hardware fault, the machine is essentially bricked.

Just curious if anyone else has heard of similar circumstances? The timing just seems awfully coincidental to me.

Do keep us posted on this if you help him. I would hate to blame an OS for this but like you said the timing sure is interesting! There is another I am helping in another thread here and since Yosemite everything is dying on him. I am going to search around and see if I can find more strange issues.

 

[bboggess]

Well, I gave up on Yosemite. Yesterday was nothing but problems with applications that would work and then not work. The final straw was Mail stopped sending. I had no problems with Mail earlier but it beachballed on me and then crashed. After that, a restart and mail just would not send to any of the 4 configured accounts.

Late last night, I went back to Mavericks and EVERYTHING works. I reformatted and did a clean install of Mavericks and a subsequent restore of data from TM.

Once an update is released for Yosemite, I MIGHT try it again.

Bill

 

[vansmith]

Well, I gave up on Yosemite. Yesterday was nothing but problems with applications that would work and then not work. The final straw was Mail stopped sending. I had no problems with Mail earlier but it beachballed on me and then crashed. After that, a restart and mail just would not send to any of the 4 configured accounts.

This seems to be an issue for some of our members as well (myself included). I managed to get one of my two up and running but my regular Gmail account remains unusable (it can receive but can't send).

 

[dtravis7]

Van, I have not checked my Gmail yet for sending. Is this Pop/SMTP or iMap? I use Pop/SMTP here. Will check it later.

Right now trying to help a person in another thread here with Messages hard locking before it comes all the way up!

 

[bboggess]

The 4 accounts that I had Mail configured for was Gmail, Yahoo, Hotmail, and Outlook. Gmail was configured as iMap and the others are Pop / SMTP. Like I said, all 4 would not send but would receive with no problems.

I would have loved to had the time to troubleshoot all of my problems, but this is a production machine and I had way too much work to do. My problems were just too numerous to make it worth my while.

Bill

 

[McBie]

I may have been too positive too soon.
Mail ( Gmail ) is not always sending the E-mail.
I click the send button and the mail is visible in " sent items ", but does not arrive in Gmail.
Now that is annoying. I much rather have it not working at all than have it behaving this way.

I am trouble shooting and will post back if I find something ( that is repeatable )

Cheers ... McBie

 

[vansmith]

If you take all this into consideration, along with how effects like drop shadows and transparencies can have an effect on how the text is perceived, it should be no surprise that the text does look fuzzier than before.

This is a great example of how a small tweak can really shift the aesthetics of something especially when the changes affects the system as a whole (perhaps nothing is more aesthetically pervasive than a font change).

Van, I have not checked my Gmail yet for sending. Is this Pop/SMTP or iMap? I use Pop/SMTP here. Will check it later.

Right now trying to help a person in another thread here with Messages hard locking before it comes all the way up!

I use IMAP. I got it to work with my Google Apps account (it was magically fixed so I'm not sure what changed) but my regular Gmail account still has the outgoing SMTP server listed as offline for no apparent reason.

I may have been too positive too soon.
Mail ( Gmail ) is not always sending the E-mail.
I click the send button and the mail is visible in " sent items ", but does not arrive in Gmail.
Now that is annoying. I much rather have it not working at all than have it behaving this way.

I am trouble shooting and will post back if I find something ( that is repeatable )

Cheers ... McBie

Oh, yeah, that's probably even worse if you have to double check everything.

 

[lclev]

Finally gmail is sending mail for me. Weird part is if I go to sys pref -> internet accounts it still says Google for the name of my gmail (which is normal I know) but it shows calendar and contacts as all it is used for.

If I try to check email in the selection list the check mark disappears. But when I opened mail and send an email from the gmail account which is shown there, the first time I got a message that the smtp.gmail.com:myusername was not found. I read on google gmail help a suggested fix that said take off the :myusername part which would be nice but I can not figure out how to get to those settings.

So, I deleted the google gmail account and tired to add it as just an another account but it would not let me. Then I re-set up the account as a Google account and Yosemite (or evil gremlin) set the smtp server back up as smtp.gmail.com:myusername. As a result, I could receive but not send in either mail or outlook.

This morning, just for fun, I tried to send from gmail again. It popped up and asked me for the smtp password, I put it in and it worked. I can now send and receive. It only asked for the password once as I have closed the program and tried again and all is good.

So either it was self-fixing or the gremlin causing all the issues has been smote but the guardian apple angel. I have no idea but I hope the apple angel visits everyone who is having the problem and fixes it. ;D I have no idea how I got it to work finally.

Lisa

 

[cradom]

I have no idea how I got it to work finally.

Lisa

Isn't that how computers work?