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Romney to kill Big Bird

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But I think you guys are too focused on the small picture. I don't really care what you think of PBS anymore than I care about your opinion of the National Park System. They are both vital and necessary services and will most likely continue to be funded in part with government money, since they are both Very Good Things that contribute more to the US than any individual short-sighted grinches.

You verbalized my thoughts about the value of PBS far better than I ever could. As for the Park System... Clinton was very supportive of the NPS and added quite a lot of land to it. Bush took office and started to undo it all, or at least he planned to. I don't know offhand what Obama's record is on the matter, but I don't picture Romney as being a tree hugger.

You are missing the Big Picture here, and that is this: a Presidential candidate, when pressed for an idea on how to reduce the $14T deficit, couldn't come up with anything more concrete than cutting PBS funding. After weeks of prep, he couldn't come up with anything that would solve the problem more effectively than cutting something educational (and, budget-wise, utterly trivial).

I have a LOT of problems with Romney, but I don't want to get overly political here. I'll just say that as a venture capitalist who bought up companies, then laid off thousands of employees while running those companies into the ground and profiting handsomely via a "management" company, he doesn't strike me as someone who will give a flying flip about the middle class or as someone dedicated to "creating taxpayers". His record as a businessman has been the exact opposite. And don't get me started about his delusions that his dog enjoyed a 12 hour car trip on top of the car.
 
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My question is why wasn't Gary Johnson included in the debates? He's on the ballot in 47 states which would more than cover the electoral margins required to win an election. I'd be interested in hearing his views on pressing national wedge issues such as the heinous killing of big bird.

Commission on Presidential Debates - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Oh, wait, never mind...
 
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Get your fingers ready for a screen cap. Ready?

I totally, fully, wholeheartedly agree with Chas, and couldn't have said it much better than that.

Doug
 

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Hey guys....

Let's keep politics out of this discussion. There's enough of that on TV for all of us to absorb. You can express your opinion on November 6th. (If you're a US citizen that is.)

Thanks.
 
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But cant we get the Count to examine their tax policies before that date ;)

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Hey guys....

Let's keep politics out of this discussion. There's enough of that on TV for all of us to absorb. You can express your opinion on November 6th. (If you're a US citizen that is.)

Thanks.

I don't think that would be possible. The discussion its self is politically based. No where to go but in that direction, unless this turns into a thread full of fart jokes or puppy/cat pics. Probably shouldn't have been started in the first place, I guess.

Doug
 
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I don't think that would be possible. The discussion its self is politically based. No where to go but in that direction, unless this turns into a thread full of fart jokes or puppy/cat pics. Probably shouldn't have been started in the first place, I guess.

Doug

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I don't think that would be possible.

Unfortunately, you're correct Doug.
 

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I have no problem with a political discussion as long as it's polite and in keeping with the Community Guidelines. I'm opening this one back up.
 
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I don't think that would be possible. The discussion its self is politically based. No where to go but in that direction, unless this turns into a thread full of fart jokes or puppy/cat pics. Probably shouldn't have been started in the first place, I guess.

Just remember... you practically begged for this. :p

Once upon a time, there lived a man who had a terrible passion for baked beans. He loved them, but they always had an embarrassing and somewhat lively reaction on him. One day he met a girl and fell in love.

When it was apparent that they would marry, he thought to himself, "She'll never go through with the marriage with me carrying on like this" so he made the supreme sacrifice and gave up beans. Shortly after that they were married.

A few months later, on the way home from work, his car broke down and since they lived in the country, he phoned his wife and told her that he would be late because he had to walk. On his way home, he passed a small cafe and the wonderful aroma of baked beans overwhelmed him.

Since he still had several miles to walk he thought he would walk off any ill effects before he got home. So he went in and ordered three extra large helpings of beans. All the way home he farted. By the time he arrived home he felt reasonably safe.

His wife met him at the door and seemed somewhat excited. She exclaimed, "Darling, I have the most wonderful surprise for you for dinner tonight!" She put a blindfold on him and led him to his chair at the head of the table and made him promise not to peek. At this point he was beginning to feel another fart coming on. Just as his wife was about to remove the blindfold, the phone rang. She again made him promise not to peek until she returned and went to answer the phone.

While she was gone, he seized the opportunity. He shifted his weigh to one leg and let go. It was not only loud, but ripe as a rotten egg. He had a hard time breathing, so he felt for his napkin and fanned the air about him. He had just started to feel better when another urge came on.

He raised his leg and rriiipppp! It sounded like a diesel engine revving and smelled worse. To keep himself from gagging, he tried fanning his arms a while, hoping the smell would dissipate. Things had just about returned to normal when he felt another urge coming. He shifted his weight to his other leg and let go. This was a real blue ribbon winner; the windows shook, the dishes on the table rattled and a minute later the flowers on the table were dead. While keeping an ear tuned in on the conversation in the hallway, and keeping his promise of staying blindfolded, he carried on like this for the next 10 minutes, farting and then fanning each time with his napkin.

When he heard the phone farewells (indicating the end of his loneliness and freedom) he neatly laid his napkin on his lap and folded his hands on top of it. Smiling contentedly, he was the picture of innocence when his wife walked in. Apologising for taking so long, she asked if he had peeked at the dinner table. After assuring her he had not peeked, she removed the blindfold and yelled "SURPRISE!"

To his shock and horror, there were twelve dinner guests seated around the table.
 

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OMG, best joke ever! My wife is shaking her head watching me laugh at my iPad
 
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I did ask for that! And I laughed my rear off too! Ironically, I'm surprised that my wife puts up with me. I'm almost as bad as that guy.. but not limited to beans. Yep. too much information.. You're all welcome.

Doug
 
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In a thread titled "Romney to kill Big Bird" I'm not sure you can avoid a political conclusion, but I was trying more to focus thought on the topic to a larger context than simply "I like/dislike PBS and therefore care/don't care if funding is cut."

The question the next President has to face is how to get the deficit under control. Particularly if (as has happened before) Congress is not, shall we say, equally committed to the same agenda.

The President (whoever they are) can promise all kinds of things, but all they can ACTUALLY do is introduce the idea to Congress and lobby for it. I suppose they can also veto things that don't follow his plan as well.

Seems to me that the real solution involves electing a President and supermajority in Congress that agree on a plan.

I would love to hear from both political parties on how they are actually going to tackle cutting the parts of the budget that make up the vast majority of the spending. We've already established that cutting taxes for the rich doesn't work -- we tried it (we're still trying it in fact), and that hasn't solved the problem. So clearly we need another solution, one that involves actually cutting entitlements and defense, which together make up 62 percent of the budget.

There are only two ways to entitlements: switch to a system that keeps benefits about the same, but lowers the costs of the program; or raise revenues. You're not going to realistically take Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid away (together making up 43 percent of the budget).

In my opinion, there's a LOT of fat that could be cut from defense, and a LOT of savings that could be gained from switching to single-payer healthcare (please hold down your screams of "socialist!"). I sincerely believe the military could do its job on a "mere" $500B a year (down from the current $700B), and single-payer (or if you prefer, "put everyone on Medicare") would cut out $244B of the current $835B spent annually.*

*source on that last bit: Funding a National Single-Payer System | Physicians for a National Health Program

So if (I know it's a big if) we could "find" $200B in military reductions (or, as the joke goes, get by without a dozen new fighter jets each year) and $244B in just the medical side of entitlements (not sure we can save a lot in SS, but we can easily "fix" SS -- but I'll save that for another post), you have $444B in ANNUAL savings with, IMO, no significant loss of benefit or service in either area (and in fact substantial improvement in some areas).

Now that's only about 12 percent or so of the total outlay the government spends each year, but imagine if you could put 12 percent of everything you earn, tax-free, into a retirement fund: most of you would be doing pretty well pretty quick. To put it another way: if, in a fantasy world that will never exist, we used that money to pay off the debt (not the deficit, the national debt), it would be paid off in as little as 20 years. If you think the amount I just cut out of the budget is impressive, wait till you see how much money we'll save on interest by paying down that debt ...
 
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A locked thread gets unlocked :eek:! This is fun!

I'm not going to say a whole lot more, but just restate something already said. It's just kind of lame to know that of all the serious issues going on, he brings up Big Bird as a way of bring down spending. I'm sure to some people out there, they might of thought he was joking. It's not really a good statement to make imo.

Then PBS should have no problem if the government were to pull federal funding then. Big Bird won't be going anywhere.
I don't disagree with that. I'm sure PBS can clean house with some numerous shows that are picked up from British broadcasting stations, along with others that aren't as popular to the masses. Cut down on clutter, and keep the good shows.
 

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Watching a conversation about American politics unfold as a Canadian:

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Wait, you're going to be civil? That's no fun. :p
 
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I'm not going to say a whole lot more, but just restate something already said. It's just kind of lame to know that of all the serious issues going on, he brings up Big Bird as a way of bring down spending. I'm sure to some people out there, they might of thought he was joking. It's not really a good statement to make imo.

I don't recall "Big Bird" being mentioned in the debate, although PBS was.

don't disagree with that. I'm sure PBS can clean house with some numerous shows that are picked up from British broadcasting stations, along with others that aren't as popular to the masses. Cut down on clutter, and keep the good shows.

Thats an excellent idea,
 

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I am a fan of numerous PBS programs including several of the British programs. I have contended for a long time that the government should no longer be involved in funding PBS. Some programs already have licensing agreements which generate money for them. There are programs that do not have such agreements. If they are important enough to us we should be willing to "pony up" a contributing so to speak.

Why is this important? I am personally tired of this issue being used as a political football.Mention changing anything and someone accuses you of hating children and all that is right with the world.

I mentioned this to a friend not long ago and he made what seems to be a contradictory statement. In essence he pointed out that government funding for PBS was a small amount of money but then seemed to believe they could not function without it. Some variation of this argument is actually quite common.

On a practical note I wonder how the amount of government funding is calculated by some authors. Obviously there is some direct funding but I have seen varying numbers over the years. I wonder if the funding count also includes indirect funding, where for example grants for some project partly fund a TV program which later airs on PBS.
 
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At any time, any of us, anywhere, can given any amount we'd like to PBS.

How much do you give PBS per year, and how much do you plan to increase that during these tough economic times?

Secondly, do you plan on taking out loans and using credit cards to pay for your voluntary deductions to PBS?
 

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How is a kid going to pay for things to watch? They cannot.

I hope this does not sound mean but I hear that argument all the time and it simplifies things too much. I know a few folks who fit into the crowd that wants to get rid of government funding of PBS. AFAIK none of them are advocating getting rid of the service or questioning its worth.

The question is what are we as adults willing to pay to keep it going? If it is important enough then we should be able to keep it going with voluntary contribution.
 

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