new iphone 6

[XJ-linux]

Yes, people are rather shockingly ignorant about NFC and Touch ID I find.

Don't be so hard on yourself. You'll learn eventually.

 

[mrplow]

In fact, putting multiple credit cards on any sort of device that can be lost is ridiculous.

Like a wallet and no getting a finger print sample and working it up to produce a replica. Just open it up and scribble a rough approximation of the signature, there's even a sample for you to copy on each card!

At least chip and pin is pretty universal in the UK

 

[vansmith]

Like a wallet

It's a lot easier to lose a phone than it is a wallet.

and no getting a finger print sample and working it up to produce a replica. Just open it up and scribble a rough approximation of the signature, there's even a sample for you to copy on each card!

The issue though is that you're duplicating your credit card info for no reason. It's not even all that much quicker than tap and pay credit cards and in fact, it's slower. Sure, it's more secure (since you don't authenticate) but as a hackable tech device (all are after all), you have more to lose.

Perhaps I'm overprotective of my credit but duplicating payment methods and doing so on a device that is easily lost and proven hackable doesn't seem all that attractive when the added convenience isn't all that great.

 

[mrplow]

My wife has lost more cards by leaving them in stores than I can count, but no phone loss so far (famous last words!)

The pitch is that your card details aren't duplicated but I'll leave the tech bods to tear it to pieces and scrutinise the security aspect before diving in. I suspect they'd have to have produced something to satisfy the card providers. But I'll wait for independent tests

 

[Chris H.]

I was hoping for updates to the iPod touch and perhaps an announcement of OS X Yosemite.

Well one can dream anyway.

As it stands now, I use the Azumio Inc. app tracker on my iPod touch for counting steps. Maybe not be the most accurate way of tracking but I personally don't want a FitBit. Apple Watch may be a birthday gift for me next year. It just makes better sense than a regular fitness accessory.

And if Apple doesn't update the iPod touch line, I think I'll just wait until next year to get an iPhone again. (I had a 4, gave it to my Dad, got his brand new Windows Phone - that was a mistake). The WP is right around 4.5" and fits nicely in my jeans pockets. The iPhone 6 as my next phone would do well with me. I've tried putting a phablet device in my pocket. Sitting down becomes impossible.

 

[vansmith]

The pitch is that your card details aren't duplicated but I'll leave the tech bods to tear it to pieces and scrutinise the security aspect before diving in.

Ah, but they are - they're stored on your phone.

I suspect they'd have to have produced something to satisfy the card providers. But I'll wait for independent tests

While it might be encrypted, it's still there. This issue plagues all of these solutions though - Google Wallet, Apple's payment system, <insert other NFC based system here>. What would be smart on Apple's part would be a global on/off switch if (when?) it gets compromised.

Apple Watch may be a birthday gift for me next year.

Hope they have some money since they'll be paying an outrageous $350 for a device that adds no useful functionality not found elsewhere (sending kitschy drawings to others in your proximity doesn't count since it's not useful). Then again, if you have an iPhone, you only have one choice if you want a well connected set.

 

[lclev]

SInce NFC requires finger print id that leaves me out. I have never been very successful with finger print scanners. I have had two and ended up having to disable both. I have had to have background checks for various jobs and every time it takes multiple tries to get an adequate scan. I can't do face recognition either - seems I must look very different in the morning...hum.... So unless they have made huge improvements in scanning technology on this new iPhone, I won't be using it. Too frustrating.

As for size, purse weight, and what women like...... I'll just say when my husband needs something guess who has it in their purse...

Actually, I am seriously looking at the 4.7 to down size. As I said before, I love my note II but it is big - 5.5". My biggest problem is I would be giving up my pen. I use it to make all kinds of notes and lists.

Lisa

 

[dtravis7]

Hope they have some money since they'll be paying an outrageous $350 for a device that adds no useful functionality not found elsewhere (sending kitschy drawings to others in your proximity doesn't count since it's not useful). Then again, if you have an iPhone, you only have one choice if you want a well connected set.

Van, what do you think of the Samsung watches? They do basically the same thing as the Apple watch.

I am glad to see Apple finally play catch up with screen size at least. Grin

 

[vansmith]

I'm not sold on the utility of the watches but I'm indifferent to the Samsung an LG Android Wear watches. They both suffer from the same aesthetic issues that the Apple Watch does - they're all ugly squares. In terms of utility, I suppose the Samsung and LG watches are more useful but that would only be because I use an Android phone (and has little to do with the Apple Watch being more or less utilitarian than its Android Wear equivalents).

As I said elsewhere on here, in the world of smartwatches, Apple has gotten off to an uncharacteristically uninspired start. Aesthetically, it's not the nicest (the Moto 360 easily takes the cake here) and it's no more functional than other AW watches. The only thing it has going for it is its compatibility with iOS.

 

[dtravis7]

Agree. It's not the nicest looking thing. I figured something way more stream lined.

 

[fleurya]

I think it's interesting how so many people are trying to tear apart the secure nature of NFC payment with talk of working of sophisticated NFC sniffers, phone hacks, and finger print samples and duplicates.

While they're so busy trying to prove its possible, they completely miss the fact that it is significantly easier, and more likely, that a thief will lift your wallet or purse, and not only get your credit card, but your ID, cash, and other cards and personal items.

I've read tons of stories about people proving Touch ID can be hacked, but not one story of it happening in the real world. Same goes for NFC payments. People need a little dose of reality and perspective here.

 

[dtravis7]

I think it's interesting how so many people are trying to tear apart the secure nature of NFC payment with talk of working of sophisticated NFC sniffers, phone hacks, and finger print samples and duplicates.

While they're so busy trying to prove its possible, they completely miss the fact that it is significantly easier, and more likely, that a thief will lift your wallet or purse, and not only get your credit card, but your ID, cash, and other cards and personal items.

I've read tons of stories about people proving Touch ID can be hacked, but not one story of it happening in the real world. Same goes for NFC payments. People need a little dose of reality and perspective here.

Hey, long time no see here on the forums. Welcome.

I do agree with you. To many are scared and spreading FUD about something they really do not understand.

My only critiques of the new iPhone is I feel it's mostly a catch up device, which is not bad but not a lot of innovation this time around.

 

[chas_m]

So unless they have made huge improvements in scanning technology on this new iPhone, I won't be using it. Too frustrating.

Are you comparing Touch ID to the Samsung fingerprint thing? If so, hoo boy are you in for a pleasant surprise! Touch ID is so far superior it's not even funny.

My biggest problem is I would be giving up my pen. I use it to make all kinds of notes and lists.

Not sure why you would think that styluses don't work on iPhones if one wants to use them. Me, I dictate most things.

 

[chas_m]

I've read tons of stories about people proving Touch ID can be hacked, but not one story of it happening in the real world. Same goes for NFC payments. People need a little dose of reality and perspective here.

Amen. As I mentioned previously, some people are just shockingly ignorant about payments and NFC, and it seems I can add "willfully ignorant" about Apple Pay's implementation.

 

[dtravis7]

On the Fingerprint scanner, Apples even on the 5s is better. Every reviewer who knows their stuff agrees. Anand who I GREATLY respect said Apples was far superior to Samsungs. So if touch ID is your thing, there Apple has others beat for now anyway!

On the Pen that comes with Samsungs Note series, there it's ahead of others. No stylus compares with that Pen. I have used both side by side and the Pen is way better. Sorry.

One other thing though that puts the Iphone over all others is the A8. Even the A7 in the 5s wipes the floor with most tests of any Samsung or Snapdragon SOC sometimes but a very large Margin. I am sure that will change with time but for now Apples SOC is the fastest out there.

 

[TattooedMac]

People need a little dose of reality and perspective here.

Exactly. Too many people believe the hype without knowing the truth, or knowing anything actually.

My only critiques of the new iPhone is I feel it's mostly a catch up device, which is not bad but not a lot of innovation this time around.

Catchup ?? No innovation ?? I don't think there would be many companies that could get all that jazz into a 6.1or 7.1mm thick device, for the biggest iPhone Dennis. That in itself I would call innovation.

 

[dtravis7]

Sorry TattooedMac, that is how I see it's feature set EXCEPT for one saving grace, that A8 SOC.

 

[chas_m]

Relevant to the Apple Pay portion of the discussion:

Apple Pay trumps traditional credit & debit cards: MasterCard SVP - Yahoo Finance

 

[dbm]

I think it's interesting how so many people are trying to tear apart the secure nature of NFC payment with talk of working of sophisticated NFC sniffers, phone hacks, and finger print samples and duplicates.

While they're so busy trying to prove its possible, they completely miss the fact that it is significantly easier, and more likely, that a thief will lift your wallet or purse, and not only get your credit card, but your ID, cash, and other cards and personal items.

I've read tons of stories about people proving Touch ID can be hacked, but not one story of it happening in the real world. Same goes for NFC payments. People need a little dose of reality and perspective here.

If you try to use NFC with two cards close together, you get card clash - I have to carefully arrange the cards in my wallet to avoid this. I would challenge anyone to get a NFC read from my wallet when it is closed and I have 3 cards with NFC in close proximity to each other.

NFC is quicker, easier and cheaper than cash for retailers. It's been available for about a year here in the UK but now it's really starting to get traction.

 

[TattooedMac]

Relevant to the Apple Pay portion of the discussion:

Apple Pay trumps traditional credit & debit cards: MasterCard SVP - Yahoo Finance

Good link and this says it all . . .

Sherri Haymond who heads the digital channel management group at MasterCard, tells Yahoo Finance that the technology is "really, really safe" because it uses "EMV security which gives each transaction a code number that only MasterCard or the issuer can unlock."