macOS Big Sur is Version 11.0

[pm-r]

@M_Six

So does the compatibility list just mean those are the machines that Apple will support with v11.0 or will v11.0 not run at all on them?

Apple's compatability list is listing only the Mac models that Apple will officially support to run on the new macOS software.

But don't be at all surprised if and when someone other than Apple produces a hack that will allow "Unsupported Mac models" to run the new macOS. If one is prone to go that route. I sure wouldn't.



- Patrick
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[M_Six]

Rats. I don't know if I should be mad at Apple for leaving me with perfectly running machines and no OS or happy with them that my 8-year old machines are all still running so well.

 

[pm-r]

Rats. I don't know if I should be mad at Apple for leaving me with perfectly running machines and no OS or happy with them that my 8-year old machines are all still running so well.

I would suggest you go with the latter!!!

Just be thankful that you don't have to join the group of almost beta testers and guinea pigs.



- Patrick
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[Slydude]

I would suggest you go with the latter!!!

Just be thankful that you don't have to join the group of almost beta testers and guinea pigs.



- Patrick
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Now Patrick, why would you want to miss out on all the fun that goes with being on the bleeding edge?

 

[pm-r]

Now Patrick, why would you want to miss out on all the fun that goes with being on the bleeding edge?

Well, I am too old for that stuff now and I like enjoying my Mac time with things just working properly, and I really want to keep my blood pressure down and under control.

I'll let you guys enjoy your time bata testing.




- Patrick
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[RadDave]

Big Sur ????

Interesting part for me are the Macs supported:

MacBook 2015 and later
MacBook Air 2013 and later
MacBook Pro Late 2013 and later
Mac mini 2014 and later
iMac 2014 and later
iMac Pro 2017 and later (all models)
Mac Pro 2013 and later

My 3 Macs: iMac (2019) - MBPro (early 2013) - MBAir (early 2015). Appears that my MBPro will not be able to run 'Big Sur' - I'm assuming that it is the CPU and/or motherboard hardware? Below are some specs on that laptop - any comments on why an early 2013 MBPro is incompatible vs. one released later in the same year?

Since both my lappies run fine, I'll keep the Pro on Catalina and upgrade the Air - now I have a LOT of duplicate apps on these laptops that get periodically updated (e.g. Carbon CC) - will this be an issue since Big Sur is now labeled as 11.0? Thanks all - Dave
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[usagora]

My 3 Macs: iMac (2019) - MBPro (early 2013) - MBAir (early 2015). Appears that my MBPro will not be able to run 'Big Sur' - I'm assuming that it is the CPU and/or motherboard hardware? Below are some specs on that laptop - any comments on why an early 2013 MBPro is incompatible vs. one released later in the same year?

I would assume the same reasons you did (CPU and/or logic board).

Since both my lappies run fine, I'll keep the Pro on Catalina and upgrade the Air - now I have a LOT of duplicate apps on these laptops that get periodically updated (e.g. Carbon CC) - will this be an issue since Big Sur is now labeled as 11.0? Thanks all - Dave

I would assume that it will only be an issue if the developer stops supporting 10.x or doesn't support 11.x

 

[chscag]

Since both my lappies run fine, I'll keep the Pro on Catalina and upgrade the Air - now I have a LOT of duplicate apps on these laptops that get periodically updated (e.g. Carbon CC) - will this be an issue since Big Sur is now labeled as 11.0? Thanks all - Dave.

Developers have been through this before so I would expect they will be ready for the changeover whenever Apple cuts off Rosetta 2. You might remember that when Lion was released it was missing Rosetta. Apple will probably issue several releases of 11.X before everything will have to run on the ARM processor.

 

[RadDave]

I would assume the same reasons you did (CPU and/or logic board).
I would assume that it will only be an issue if the developer stops supporting 10.x or doesn't support 11.x

Developers have been through this before so I would expect they will be ready for the changeover whenever Apple cuts off Rosetta 2. You might remember that when Lion was released it was missing Rosetta. Apple will probably issue several releases of 11.X before everything will have to run on the ARM processor.

Thanks Guys for the comments - did not go through one of Apple's 'Major Transitions' - started w/ Mountain Lion (10.8) in early 2013 switching to Mavericks (10.9) in the fall - will await the appearance of Apple's first ARM laptops and go from there? Dave

 

[chscag]

Thanks Guys for the comments - did not go through one of Apple's 'Major Transitions' - started w/ Mountain Lion (10.8) in early 2013 switching to Mavericks (10.9) in the fall - will await the appearance of Apple's first ARM laptops and go from there? Dave

Probably a good plan.

Your Intel Macs will be supported for a length of time by Apple just as they are now until Apple puts them on the obsolete or vintage list. After that occurs, it might be time to shop for a new ARM Mac.

What amazes me is the number of vintage and ancient Macs that are still around and functioning. There are a number of folks who are still using their PPC Macs.

 

[usagora]

Probably a good plan.

Your Intel Macs will be supported for a length of time by Apple just as they are now until Apple puts them on the obsolete or vintage list.

There's a bunch of "doom and gloom" people over at MR forums telling people who recently purchased a Mac that their Intel Macs will be obsolete and worthless within a year or two Makes me mad how people spread such misinformation to people looking for advice.

 

[pm-r]

Apple will probably issue several releases of 11.X before everything will have to run on the ARM processor.

It looks like we've come full circle when I look at a utility like Monolingual.app for Mavericks and see it, and most other versions I suspect, had the option to remove PPC and ARM code from existing old applications.

Sort of like old times coming around again but without removing any ARM code this time!!!

Gee, I wonder if such a similar utility will be useful again in the future???





- Patrick
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[Slydude]

It might. As I understood the keynote yesterday this transition period is reviving both the concepts of Rosetta and Universal Binaries. Those of you who have been through this before may remember that Universal Binaries was the term used for apps that included both Intel and PowerPC code.

As a general rule hard drives are larger now so many people might not be too interested in utilities to strip out Intel code. I can see folks with smaller SSDs wanting to get the extra space back or because they just like running "lean" systems.

 

[chscag]

Anyway, Monolingual had its drawbacks. Some apps like MS Office refused to work after Monolingual stripped all languages except for English. I tried using it to remove all PPC code from my Intel MacBook that I purchased in 2008. If I remember correctly it took hours and seemed like it made no difference at all. I finally quit the app and got rid of it.

 

[iggibar]

I don't don't like it as a name for an OS, but knowing that it's named after the Big Sur coast region in California make me like it. That area is BEAUTIFUL!

 

[IWT]

I was rather hoping it would be Monterey.

One word, easy to pronounce, sounds good. Big Sur sounds like a misprint

But as I know very little about California, it's not my place to choose or criticise. And I certainly wouldn't wish to offend our friends on the West coast.

As long as it works, eh?

Ian

 

[usagora]

Big Sur sounds like a misprint

Hopefully 11.1 won't be called "Big Mam"

 

[IWT]

Hopefully 11.1 won't be called "Big Mam"

I thought Sur might be missing an "L" No offence, guys.

Ian

 

[pm-r]

I don't don't like it as a name for an OS, but knowing that it's named after the Big Sur coast region in California make me like it. That area is BEAUTIFUL!

+1, I agree the name doesn't quite fit as a name for an OS, but that area is certainly magnificent and impressive if that was part of the intent, but the area is also quite a tourist trap and can be quite expensive, at least it was many years ago when I was last touring that area.

And I'm sure there are still some genuine, now very old, Californian hippies hanging around on the coastal cliffs and in their coastal dwellings.



- Patrick
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[MacInWin]

I used to live in Monterey, just north of Big Sur. Here is the wikipedia article about it: Big Sur - Wikipedia

In that article, it gives the derivation for the name.

el país grande del sur, which means "the big country of the south