Windows users, im crying

[dtravis7]

I guess I am lucky, the people at my CompUSA are pretty cool, a lot love the Mac and this other dood likes AMD but also likes Mac so I don't get any putdowns when I go there to buy software or hardware. We have an Independent Mac store here in town also but I usually get better deals at CompUSA. Sad really.

 

[technologist]

Its been a while since I've met any really annoying anti-Mac people. Maybe I'm just lucky, but I see lots of Macs around here. So, I offer you my

Suggestions for avoiding nasty PC users:

- Move to a major metropolitan area (With an Apple Store...NYC or San Francisco, especially.)
- Join a Mac User Group
- Hang out on Mac bulletin board sites (Hey...!)
- Get a job in a creative field (Publishing/Graphics, Hollywood...)

 

[phatsew]

PC users have a lot less to say after OSX was released. How can you compare NTFS to Unix underpinnings? For me, OSX turned me into a full time Mac user.

 

[meltbanana314]

Windows: Download, Install, Crash, Re-Install, Crash, format Hard Drive, Download Security Updates, Get Firewall, Get Anti-Virus, Re-Download, Install, Crash, Repeat...

Linux: Download, Install, gunzip, tar -xvf, configure, make, (c++ compiler fails sanity check) make again, make install, glibc not found, apt-get install everything, hack, crash, etc...

OS X - Well, you get the idea :mac:


I really dislike people who have to have software totally open-sourced or with the name "Microsoft" attached.

 

[phatsew]

If I can remember this one...There was a Mac plane for OS9 and one for OSX

A Windows plane will look nice, have seats compatible for everyone, hire a popular musician to play for entertainment, take off wonderfully and explode in mid-air.

A Linux plane is a rock solid plane that can fly in any weather - but you have to put it together yourself.

A Mac plane (OS9) is the most elegant of all planes however - you get in the plane and show up at your desitnation, no questions asked about how you got there.

(OSX) Ride in the fastest, most stable, most compatible, most elegant, nicest looking plane available, however the ticket is a little pricey. Riders of the OSX plane will never ride in another one though, and have pity on those who do.

 

[phatsew]

I really dislike people who have to have software totally open-sourced or with the name "Microsoft" attached.

Totally. I hate it when people wave their penguin flags and think that everyone wants to spend four hours getting a sound card to work or compiling an alarm clock just so they can wear an arm band at the next LAN party about how they got whatever archaic looking program to funciton.

Then you have the call center nerds who just got their A+ cert and think that they're the king of everything tech.

Of course, a lot of people say that about Mac users who look down on other PC users. Personally, I like to recognize the benefits of other systems, as long as I have a chance to portray the benefits of the one that I choose.

 

[Macman]

yea, most windows users have just come to accept 'the fact' that computers crash, its what they do, basically, theyre all settling for an inferior product. just ignore the ignorant(and usually less intelligent) masses, it takes a special type of person to open their own eyes and start using macs.

 

[witeshark]

You never need to be sad -- they are behind the times! They have it stupid! Not only are they doomed to the registry disaster, they can't even switch to Linux in most cases! So laugh it up! Edit: Here is their fun! :bomb:

 

[technologist]

First they ignore you.
Then they laugh at you.
Then they fight you.

Then you win.

- Gandhi

 

[johnny5w]

In the music world they all laugh at you if you have a PC.

 

[Macman]

In the music world they all laugh at you if you have a PC.

same in computer graphics of any type, or high end video editing.

 

[phatsew]

YES as a studio engineer by trade, a Winders user is normally looked at as a novice, someone who could be good with tape but missed the boat on computer recording. And, of course, laughed at loudly.

 

[falltime]

YES as a studio engineer by trade, a Winders user is normally looked at as a novice, someone who could be good with tape but missed the boat on computer recording. And, of course, laughed at loudly.

I live in LA, and have worked with some of the more prominent producers and engineers in the industry including those who produced, mixed and recorded Thrice, The Used, LoveHateHero, Jupiter Sunrise, The Hanks, Clear Static, The Killers, Foo Fighters, Selegna Sol, From First to Last, and Saosin.

It is commonly known that most FL Digi 002 engineers use PC laptops over PowerBooks.

A $1300 PC laptop w/ 512 RAM and stock 4200 HD gets 32+18 (DaveC)
A Dual 1.8 G5 w/ 2.5GB RAM and stock 7200 8MB Buffer SATA HD has trouble pulling 31.

This is generally understood amongst us tech artists in LA... I don't know what’s up with you guys in Connecticut.

Don't take my word for it, check out the digidesign forums.

Oh and if PC users shouldn't talk garbage about Macs, why should you be able to talk garbage about PCs? I've read more PC flaming in this single thread then I've ever read on an entire educated PC forum.

Macs aren't better guys. I'd hate to break it to you.

As an ironic side note: Being very involved in the Apple Tier 2 Technician Community (the guys that provide Tech Support for Apple Technicians) I've come to notice that 90% of them use PCs instead of Macs at home... funny eh? It is of course the complete opposite in the Tier 1 (low-level tech support) Call Center.

 

[dirtydog]

Oh and if PC users shouldn't talk garbage about Macs, why should you be able to talk garbage about PCs? I've read more PC flaming in this single thread then I've ever read on an entire educated PC forum.

Macs aren't better guys. I'd hate to break it to you.

I was just reading this thread and thinking the same thing

Since the Mac mini's release I've been considering getting a Mac - although I'd wait at least until Tiger ships with it. A lot of the attitudes and comments on this forum are putting me off though; are they typical of Mac users? Are Mac users who don't hate PCs and Microsoft the exception?

My PC never crashes, I have no viruses or trojans.. I leave the machine on 24/7 connected to the net via cable, I have no virus scanner or firewall either (except for my router, but before I got that I used no firewall of any kind).

A lot of the comments about PCs crashing ceased to be valid once Windows 2000 came out, never mind XP. Win 9x is unstable yes, but NT-based Windows isn't. Nor is Windows slow or incapable. Please, criticism where it's due but some of the criticisms of Windows and MS I've heard in this thread are laughable :/

 

[flonejek]

Nah, its just our way of biting bck. I use my pc for gaming and its pretty stable but stuff like defraggin the drive so I can play WoW proporly is kinda annoying, apart from that I don't have any problems. Well there is one, when iTunes has been playin for more than 30 hrs it starts loopin wierdly, I think thats my soundcards fault though...

I guess to me the main advantage of a mac is the fluidness of use, after using it for a while you can do stuff really quick, and developings far easier on *nix and windows (but I still use eclipse for cross-platform compatibility, that'll probly change when I get my hands on the spotlight api). Its also got better multitasking, but I know what makes my windows box struggle so I guess that doesnt matter much to me cept for when I'm burning cds/dvds, on windows im guaranteed an eror if i do anyhing mole strenuos than surfin the net, while on my iBook ive yet to have an error...

Windows is most annoying to me because I dont know its insides. Coming from linux I can pretty much understand every possible point of failure in the system on *nix boxes and macs but in windows theres a grey area, but thats ok.

Performance issues with macs are mainly because software written for windows and ported, or cross-platform software pretty much is never compiled ith altivec support. As an example most fortran code runs on a DualPowermac G5 at about 6 gigaflops without altivec and 30 gigaflops with it, and you're unlikely to get more than 10-12 gigaflops on a P4 3.6 ghz... Thats one of the hardest issues we face, and Mac users are constantly put down because our machines are either slower, don't run enough software, or we are percieved as being elitists. A typical mac user dislikes windows mainly because of Microsofts history with apple and this leads to other childish behaviour, also being a minority we feel we have to state our opinion more else our community will dissapear just due to peer pressure... although in the past few years mac users switchin to pcs is pretty rare...

Umm i made a lot of genaralizations, I hope I haven't offended anyone...

Also the term mac/pc user is out of place in this day and age as computers are becoming more disposable, so its far more common to be exposed to both worlds at th same time rather than just using macs or pcs, though there are more windows users out there than any other subgroup due to Microsofts clever marketing and cunning business practices (not to say apple hasnt dealt its fair share).

 

[jbsengineer]

Can't we all just get along, !

I'm a very experienced pc, mac, and linux user. I've always owned a mac, pc, and ran linux! (small gap with a mac).

In my opinion. There all stable, and have there own negatives and positives. Windows is a little more difficult to get secured. But if you have it secured down it runs fabulous. Personally between all 3 i wish mac would have a little more respect. It is a really nice OS and beatiful hardware.

But on the other hand windows is the #1 targeted OS and as long as you have some virus software, keep it on the latest REV, and dont surf porn it runs great.

As far as performance i could care less. I'm a networking and server guru. No graphic design in my resume. But in my professional opinion there all a decent OS and all deserve a decent amount of respect.

Dont knock it until you try it...

Josh :headphone

 

[dirtydog]

Its also got better multitasking, but I know what makes my windows box struggle so I guess that doesnt matter much to me cept for when I'm burning cds/dvds, on windows im guaranteed an eror if i do anyhing mole strenuos than surfin the net, while on my iBook ive yet to have an error...

See it's this type of comment which confuses me.. saying on Windows you're guaranteed an error if you do strenuous things. What is your PC spec? Are you using Windows 98? If so I understand, but if you're on 2000/XP then I really don't, unless you have hardware problems or there's something badly wrong with your Windows installation. My PC is rock solid, I can burn CDs/DVDs, play music, watch DivX/Xvid/DVD movies, do anything I want, while doing other strenuous tasks.. Windows doesn't bat an eyelid. If it did I'd be the first to complain.

I also hear Windows is sluggish.. all I can say is, no it isn't, it's extremely snappy, it boots in 20 seconds or so, the GUI response is instant (which I read it isn't on a Mac, eg. the arsetechnica review of OSX 10.3).. as for defragging, NTFS doesn't really need it anyway. If someone's having a problem with a game being stuttery I suggest getting more RAM.

 

[Cloudane]

I must admit, XP is pretty rock-solid with decent hardware. OS X is even a little sluggish in comparison sometimes. But every platform has its pros and cons... I tend to prefer the pros of OS X to those of XP

 

[flonejek]

Well for me pretty much surf the net and play games on my windows box, and playing World of Warcraft while burning a cd bombs it out (using Alcohol 120%) on my custom built:

Win XP Pro
1 Gig 3200 Crucial ram
2.8Ghz Prescott P4 @ 3.2Ghz
Nvidia Ti 4200 AGP 8x 128M
120Gig Western Digital 8Mb JB cache
Asus P4800s with intel 8???e chipset
Coolermaster PSU 400W
Creative Soundblaster Audigy (I wish I got a TurtleBeach Santa Cruz but couldnt find one in Aust)
LiteOn 48x24x48 CDRW/DVD-Rom
Netgear wireless PCI 802.11b/g (reception sucks, I need a new aerial)
some other stuff i cant remember of the top of my head

while my iBook manages fine (although at lower resolution with less detail), though strenuous meant a bit more strenuous than you assumed I imagine...

Windows isnt sluggish but it does have times where its non-responsive for a sec or 2 as it tries to balance the pagefile and the ram which is really annoying as I have a gig of ram but I guess I'm used to it. My iBook does take longer to boot but I restart it like once every 3 months so it doesnt bother me (probly a min to boot)

I read that arstechnica review a while back and thats just because the gui isnt as responsive as windows, the underlying system is, I would need 3 gigs of ram to play WoW as that is how much it trys to cache in the world map using your harddrive mainly and if your drive times out while searching for loads of fragments (it reads about 10 megs a sec, I am using NTFS btw) WoW has a hissy fit, while on my iBook I've never had this issue even though I've only got 768 megs in it.

Read these reviews for an experience based perspective which is what I was trying to get at, I still prefer my iBook over my Windows box because its smoother to use although my windows box leaves it in the dust performancewise...

http://www.anandtech.com/mac/showdoc.aspx?i=2232 (Part 1)
http://www.anandtech.com/mac/showdoc.aspx?i=2326 (Part 2)
http://www.anandtech.com/mac/showdoc.aspx?i=2328 (Mac Mini review)

Edit: If you really are this unsure about getting a mac try one out at an Apple Store and if it doesn't float your boat then just stick with your PC and dualboot Linux, its free and gets you half the deal of OS X.

 

[)(*]

i didnt want this thread to be a mac bashing, windows bashing thread.