This will be my last post in this thread, and I suggest it goes back on topic of sympathy for our English cousins. Or it will get locked.
Wow guys.. I think you guys are looking at this all wrong. Your taking what IM saying as if I supported these attacks. I do not think anyone should die for any reason. Though, I am reasonable and I have the apparently unique ability to see all sides of the situation, and I am open to suggestion and ideas that differ from my own so that I can further improve myself.
dan828 said:
I could almost buy your line IF this were an attack against the British government or against the British military. However, it wasn't. It was an attack against innocent people. So with that simple fact in mind, I see no reason to understand their "side". Their "side" is the cowardly murder of innocents. And that I will never understand or ever try to understand.
I wish the British people well, and remember with respect their support when our country was attacked. My thoughts and prayers to all affected by this tradgedy.
He sees no reason to see 'their' side. Seeing the otherside is what separates intellectuals from ignorants. Agreeing with it, is another story and no one is saying we agree with it.
sarahsboy18 said:
Absolutely correct... dan828 you said what I was too angry to figure out how to put into words. This is not an act of war... This is cold-blooded murder... For which there is no understanding... nor should there be. There is a huge difference.
Again understanding is not agreeing. Sigh*
Alright, I can understand children buying into this whole Idea that they just 'hate us', and were innocent and have not helped them hate us.
Many of you do Not know the whole story, its just kinda brushed under the table, like if we don't tell you about it.. it never happened! this is false. I would also like to say again, I do not support any of this, I am merely bringing news to your attention. (these also do not justify it, nor is there justification for our own actions)
Why do 'they' hate us?(just a few of many):
1. reasons like. The United States has backed for authoritarian regimes (arming Saudi Arabia, training the secret police in Iran under the Shah, providing arms and aid to Turkey as it ruthlessly attacked Kurdish villages, etc.).
2. 1949: CIA backs military coup deposing elected government of Syria.
3. 1953: CIA helps overthrow the democratically-elected Mossadeq government in Iran (which had nationalized the British oil company) leading to a quarter-century of repressive and dictatorial rule by the Shah, Mohammed Reza Pahlevi.
4. 1956: U.S. cuts off promised funding for Aswan Dam in Egypt after Egypt receives Eastern bloc arms.
5. 1956: Israel,
Britain, and France invade Egypt. U.S. does not support invasion, but the involvement of its NATO allies severely diminishes Washington's reputation in the region.
6. 1958: U.S. troops land in Lebanon to preserve "stability".
7. early 1960s: U.S. unsuccessfully attempts assassination of Iraqi leader, Abdul Karim Qassim.
8. 1963: U.S. supports coup by Iraqi Ba'ath party (soon to be headed by Saddam Hussein) and reportedly gives them names of communists to murder, which they do with vigor.
9. 1972: U.S. blocks Egyptian leader Anwar Sadat's efforts to reach a peace agreement with Israel.
10. 1973-75: U.S. supports Kurdish rebels in Iraq. When Iran reaches an agreement with Iraq in 1975 and seals the border, Iraq slaughters Kurds and U.S. denies them refuge. Kissinger secretly explains that "covert action should not be confused with missionary work."
11. 1979-88: U.S. begins covert aid to Mujahideen in
Afghanistan six months before Soviet invasion in Dec. 1979. Over the next decade U.S. provides training and more than $3 billion in arms and aid.
12.
1980-88: Iran-Iraq war. When Iraq invades Iran, the U.S. opposes any Security Council action to condemn the invasion. U.S. soon removes Iraq from its list of nations supporting terrorism and allows U.S. arms to be transferred to Iraq. At the same time, U.S. lets Israel provide arms to Iran and in 1985 U.S. provides arms directly (though secretly) to Iran. U.S. provides intelligence information to Iraq. Iraq uses chemical weapons in 1984; U.S. restores diplomatic relations with Iraq. 1987 U.S. sends its navy into the Persian Gulf, taking Iraq's side; an overly-aggressive U.S. ship shoots down an Iranian civilian airliner, killing 290. We are just playing chess with their countries and lives.
13. 1981, 1986: U.S. holds military maneuvers off the coast of Libya in waters claimed by Libya with the clear purpose of provoking Qaddafi. In 1981, a Libyan plane fires a missile and U.S. shoots down two Libyan planes. In 1986, Libya fires missiles that land far from any target and U.S. attacks Libyan patrol boats, killing 72, and shore installations. When a bomb goes off in a Berlin nightclub, killing three, the U.S. charges that Qaddafi was behind it (possibly true) and conducts major bombing raids in Libya, killing dozens of civilians, including Qaddafi's adopted daughter.
14. 1984: U.S.-backed rebels in Afghanistan fire on civilian airliner.
15. 1988: Saddam Hussein kills many thousands of his own Kurdish population and uses chemical weapons against them. The U.S. increases its economic ties to Iraq.
16. 1991-: Devastating economic sanctions are imposed on Iraq. U.S. and Britain block all attempts to lift them. Hundreds of thousands die. Though Security Council had stated that sanctions were to be lifted once Saddam Hussein's programs to develop weapons of mass destruction were ended, Washington makes it known that the sanctions would remain as long as Saddam remains in power. Sanctions in fact strengthen Saddam's position. Asked about the horrendous human consequences of the sanctions, Madeleine Albright (U.S. ambassador to the UN and later Secretary of State) declares that "the price is worth it."
17. 1991-: U.S. forces permanently based in Saudi Arabia.
18. 1993-: U.S. launches missile attack on Iraq, claiming self-defense against an alleged assassination attempt on former president Bush two months earlier.
19. 1998: U.S. and U.K. bomb Iraq over the issue of weapons inspections, even though Security Council is just then meeting to discuss the matter.]
Source 1: 19 and many more
Source 2: Interesting Read
Source 3: NewsWeek
Source 4: Another Interesting read
Tell me how would you feel if say Iraq 'land in US' (invade) to preserve 'stability'.. for their own personal gain.
"You cannot tell me, that the killing of innocent civilians is wrong if you believe that it depends on the boarders which they live behind."
We have radicals in the united states that would bomb the helI outa anyone, just the same there are radicals in other countries that bomb the helI outa us.
AGAIN, I DO NOT AGREE WITH THE DEATH OF ANYONE. BUT AT LEAST EDUCATE YOURSELF BEFORE YOU JUST FOLLOW THE BANDWAGON OF PLAYING INNOCENT WHEN WE ARE NOT.
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