I'm 13 and want to start web design!

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Right, also does it start the coding for you? e.g writes <html><html/>

If i was using coda and created a button in Photoshop, how would I get it with all my code?

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Dunno, I did it in Dreamweaver. Your better off downloading both trials and figuring out which one you prefer yourself. We can only advise you of the pro's and con's.
 
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If you typle in "<html>" is will autmatically create a "</html>" below it. Same goes for all tags.
 
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I have made several decisions and know what to do. But thank you all for your help.

1. I did the Websitebeginner.com HTML course, I have made a OpenOffice Document with some syntax notes.
2. I did a quick read into CSS, I also made notes here.
3. I am going to go for Dreamweaver,Photoshop,Flash. I think coding a website is long and boring, I would of course have to write some code. But not for a background... Nor write out some silly CSS file. I think Dreamweaver makes these easier. No doubt I will still keep learning HTML. Maybe one day I could do all the coding...
4. Coda just is not for me, neither is TextMate. CSSEdit was impressive (I have a freind at my Linux User Group who has a Mac)

Thank you. I think Dreamweaver is the best way forward. I will be giving up Linux soon and getting my Mac.

I have already given up Windows, but I am proud of being 13 and know my way around Linux.

Thank you.

Nick
 
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3. I am going to go for Dreamweaver,Photoshop,Flash. I think coding a website is long and boring, I would of course have to write some code. But not for a background... Nor write out some silly CSS file. I think Dreamweaver makes these easier. No doubt I will still keep learning HTML. Maybe one day I could do all the coding...
You certainly have the wrong idea about coding. I should remind you that coding HTML is nothing like C programming and such. I find it much easier and fun to do than using dreamweaver's WYSIWYG editor. I use WYSIWYG only while working with text.

And who says you need to write some silly CSS file with Coda? Coda's CSS capabilities are far better than Dreamweaver's. It is much better organised and a better workspace. This I say even though I prefer hand writing a CSS file.
 
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I don't like writing out a bunch of long text, what's wrong with the WYSIWYG editors? It is easier, and Dreamweaver is more professional.

Screw'em!

Joking! I think some coding has to be done by hand. But not to the extent of professional web sites.

I bet this website is done by Dreamweaver...
 
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I think I will keep learning HTML, but using Dreamweaver. Like I can still write code there.

And then for some simple things like buttons, just insert them.

I WILL NOT create some glossy website with Dreamweaver and pass it off as my own labour.

Write code, use Dreamweaver. Deliver excellent results.

I don't want TextFreind or whatever it is called. I want the simplicity of Dreamweaver, with the extension of code!
 
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website developing is all about writing out all the long boring code, if you don't enjoy doing it, then developing websites is probably not for you. i was in a class where they taught html (i already knew all the html there, it was part of a business course) and the teacher made it very specific that we learned all the code before we brought out dreamweaver. and even when we did the dreamweaver stuff, i still just wrote everything on notepad (we have windows at school ::sigh::) and it always turned out better than everyone else. any old fool can pull out dreamweaver, add a little bit of code, and make a website. if you want to be a developer, take the time to sit down and learn the code. i am only 16, and i started learning html when i was about 13. i'm still not great, but i can make a fairly decent website. it takes time to learn everything. and when ever you get stuck. http://www.w3schools.com is extremely great. if you like how dreamweaver does something. do it in there, look at the code, and try and learn it. and if you like how a site does something, view>source code. :p
 
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You know... I always analogize. So lets try one here.

You work in a car shop. Your task is to change tires on a car....

The Coda route:
You know how to turn a nut with a hand wrench. You learned how. But do you need to use a hand wrench every time? No. You use a pneumatic wrench (coda).
One nut breaks. Now what? Since you took the time to learn how nuts work, you can overcome this challenge. You get the pneumatic chizel and cut the bolt in half.

The WYSIWYG route:
You point to the tire and a robot starts to do the work. Half way through, the client asks you to change directions. The robot barfs on you, breaks a nut, corrupts it's plist file and cannot start up again.
Now what? You cannot change the nuts yourself because you don't know how. The car is stuck on the lift with only two tires. The client is angry with a non functioning mess stuck 4 feet in the air.

The moral: learn what you're about to do, and save your nuts.
 
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I know I should do it all by hand, but I tried doing a button tutorial (the link is somewhere here) I got it all wrong!!! And I copied it!!!

I am going to have to start with a notepad and make my way up.

If anyone with experience could help with with this, I will be eternally grateful.

I want a row of button 6 buttons all in light green, the buttons will link to another page. How would I do this?

Thanks, I can't wait to get my Mac.
 
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Why don't you do the buttons in photoshop and export them as gifs/pngs? That way just align them together using CSS and you're done.
 
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You've got some pretty misguided views when it comes to coding. Not that it's wrong, but there's a lot more to the whole web developer thing than just programs, especially if you want to make it in the industry.

Learning how to hand code HTML and CSS is a requirement. Period, end of story. I personally don't know this from experience (as I learned from the ground up), but learning how to design from a program like Dreamweaver isn't going to give you the whole picture.

The mechanic analogy is a good example. Dreamweaver is a tool, I use it sometimes myself to help automate some repetative code or the like. But without having an intermediate knowledge of how the code works on a site, the tool is useless.

I'm actually still learning, myself. Going to try to get into the advertising/graphic design sector as soon as I finish my general education requirements (CSU). Make no mistake, coding isn't a shortcut factory, but knowing how things work, and knowing how they work together. That's were the best developers come from.

And lets not forget design; as far as that goes, a few good books on the aesthetics of web design, and maybe even general art will go a long way in giving that 'professional' look that you so desire; because believe it or not, most of the professional designers I know (here in San Francisco) don't actually use WYSIWYG programs. I know one that still codes with Notepad. Says it makes him feel alive.
 
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Why don't you do the buttons in photoshop and export them as gifs/pngs? That way just align them together using CSS and you're done.

Yes... And how do I do that?

I am going to try Coda, and start coding by hand. Reading W3schools help files. And hopefully I will get somewhere.

Nick.
 

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Yes... And how do I do that?

I am going to try Coda, and start coding by hand. Reading W3schools help files. And hopefully I will get somewhere.

Nick.

Displaying the images
Code:
<img src="1.gif" alt="description" etc />

CSS clue for displaying multiple images in a row (inline)

As always google and w3c are your friends
 
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I started website design when I was 9. I'm 13 now.

It's actually pretty easy. I self-learned it all, and my first page was made on a Mac; an iBook to be specific. That wasn't even mine, it was my cousin's. I mastered HTML by 10 years old, JavaScript by 11, CSS by 12. Right now I'm taking up C++.

I actually typed the code on Geocities itself. Pretty lame huh? Well, I actually prefer hand-coding stuff instead of using a WYSIWYG editor.

Since you're still using Windows, I recommend CoffeeCup's HTML editor. There's a free lite version (which is lame compared to the premium version). I use the premium one anyway.

And if you don't like that, you could try HTML-Kit (http://www.chami.com/html-kit/), I used that before when I was still on Windows... before I moved on to CoffeeCup. HTML-Kit is one of the best for me, it has preset tags in its menu, with descriptions of its functions... so it's also a learning experience.
 
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I just finished coding a site in Coda. Like I've said in one of my previous posts, smoking interface. Bye bye dreamweaver. I realised that one could hand code CSS and as well as use its CSS capabilities. Its my new killer app on the mac...
 
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Thanks guys!

Well I got my MacBook, I got the Black version. I didn't get Dreamweaver, nor Coda.

I got TacoHTML edit, it is great! I have created my first page. Not much but still! It has a light yellow background and a marquee.

Thank you.
 
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How do I create links, that will change color when you roll over them?

Thanks,

Nick.
 
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Hey Nick. I apologize if this is a little redundant as I just briefly skimmed through the first 4 pages of this thread. Anyways, you remind me a lot of myself. I created my first website when I was 12 years old, using a program similar to dreamweaver. After awhile though, I started to see limitations (I have no idea if these type of programs have addressed them as I have not used one since). So I started to learn HTML on my own.

I can honestly say that after one dedicated summer, I could build a website when someone drew a design on a piece of paper. I then moved on to CGI and then PHP.

The main website that I learned from is still up and running with a great support forum, (http://lissaexplains.com)

This site will teach you all of the basics and then some.
I highly recommend it. I wouldn't waste money on books and such, as there are plenty of great resources on the web. Good luck! =)
 

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