How much RAM is enough?

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yeah, pricegrabber is good, as well as google's product search. I think it's called like fruggle or something.... (P.S. Check out maps.google.com, and click on "satellite" in the top right corner, then search for your city. I know in Kalamazoo, MI, I can see individual cars, pretty awesome).

Apple is hugely overpriced on Ram, do many people actually buy it from them at those prices?
 
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yeah, pricegrabber is good, as well as google's product search. I think it's called like fruggle or something.... (P.S. Check out maps.google.com, and click on "satellite" in the top right corner, then search for your city. I know in Kalamazoo, MI, I can see individual cars, pretty awesome).

Apple is hugely overpriced on Ram, do many people actually buy it from them at those prices?

Froogle is the name i think, and yes the satellite pictures from google maps are schweet. Speaking of which, when i visited the apple store for the second time yesterday, i went to google maps on one of the pm g5's with a 30" cd, and HOLY CRAP. It is fawking sweet. You can see so much stuff its ridiculous.
 
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why is RAM so much cheaper in the states? I can't find anything comparable in England! Anyone wants to ship some to me? *LOL*
 
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what are the average Ram prices in England?
 
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My brand new 1.67 PB has 512 MB of RAM, and I don't know if this is enough. I was doing some pretty massive Photoshop work over the weekend, and it was taking forever to load Histograms and render effects. Do you think I need more RAM?

If so, how much would be enough?
 
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yeah, I have the 1.67 Ghz PB too, just in the 17" size. I upped her to 1 GB and that seems to be a good amount for me, since I've installed that, I've yet to fully max out the computer, and Photoshop flies now.
 
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I think 1 gb sounds about right for your needs.
 
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Cool. I think I'll invest in another stick of 512 MB in the future. What is the exact type of RAM for the new Powerbooks? I have no idea what 3200 or 2700 means when I'm looking at RAM...
 
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There are different types and speeds of Ram as designated by the numbers.
I got a 512 mb stick for like $55, it was a pretty good deal, and has been working great for me for a while.

Yours would be under: http://powerlinememory.com/powerbook_15inch_superdrive_167.htm
Their prices are:
1 GB $174
512MB $54.99
256MB $26

They seemed reliable, my ram works great, shipping was easy...etc. But, if you do a search on the forum for other ram related posts, you'll see a billion other sites that have good deals too.
 
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deus_ex_machina said:
How does the ratio work with pages in? My pages out is in the hundred thousands here...but there's a 1GB of RAM!


I second this guys question... I even closed all my apps, and with 1GB I should have like 700MB free.. Let alone the page out number..

If I reset my computer I will go back down.. How long should this normaly take?

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rs2sensen said:
what are the average Ram prices in England?

The cheapest that I found so far (but I may be wrong)
512MB £54.04 (USD98 or so)
1GB £163.33 (USD295 or so)
 
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yeah, that is quite a bit more expensive. About twice the USA prices I've found.
 
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Duex ex Machina said:
How does the ratio work with pages in? My pages out is in the hundred thousands here...but there's a 1GB of RAM!
I second this guys question... I even closed all my apps, and with 1GB I should have like 700MB free.. Let alone the page out number..

If I reset my computer I will go back down.. How long should this normaly take?

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Memory management 101 (This is not perfectly accurate but is good enough to give you an idea of what the numbers mean). When an application is initialized it is given a virtual address space of 4 GB. As it uses this space information is read from the disk into memory. The process of reading information into memory is a Page In.

As applications get used real memory will get allocated to these virtual address spaces. For applications that are actively in use this memory is considered "Active Memory." For applications that have closed or are not active the memory spaces are kept in physical memory for convenienvce but are marked as "Inactive Memory." By keeping the address spaces in Inactive Memory OS X (and other OSes) mitigate the need for Page Ins, thus increasing responsiveness. So if you repoen an application it does not need to reread it from disk, but instead can just use the copy in memory.

Operating Systemes like to keep a certain amount of physical memory unallocated so that if an active application needs more memory it can get it quickly. If the amount of free physical memory falls below a certain threshold or an active application requests more memory than is currently available then memory will need to be freed. This is done by performing a Page Out which is the process of writing a chunk of memory to disk. Optimally the operating system will perform page outs during idle time to keep sufficient memory available for active applications. A worst case scenario is if the active applications require more memory than is available. In this case memory pages will be written to and from disk as the applications run. This is called thrashing, and performance goes straght down the drain at that stage.

In short the page ins are nothing more than applications being loaded into memory. Page outs could be just inactive memory being freed to ensure good performance. If you get page outs occasionally as you use the system that is fine. If you are getting pageouts continually then you shouild consider getting more memory.

As an example I have had 30,000 and change page outs since I started my PB last week. That is a somewhat high number, but not when you consider they have occurred over 6 days and change. I use a lot of different programs, but not all at the same time so occasionally some of the programs had to be paged out. This is fine. If I had 30,000 page outs in 8 hours though then more memory might be prudent. There is no hard and fast rule. Just monitor the amount of active, inactive, and free memory you have and how often the OS needs to push data to disk to continue running.

I hope that helps.
 
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Ok. So why when I first power up my Mac I have 700MB free and then after a couple hours of using is my memory is down to only like 40MB free with basic apps open.. Upon closing all apps I only get about 120 more MB's freed up. It dosen't seem to go back down to the origionl 700 or so MB I had free before I opened anything. I can only seem to get it back down with a restart. Is it possible to have a memory "bleed" somewhere that I can't see showing?
 
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So you only have 70MB free. How much is "Active" and how much is "Inactive?" If the majority of it is inactive then this is fine, even desirable. What this means is that OS X is keeping the stuff it thinks you will need in the future in memory. If it is active then it means that OS X thinks the memory is still in use by some active program. It might be a problem, it might not.

While not quite related, there could be a memory leak somewhere. A memory leak is when an application allocates memory for something but never deallocates it. This will cause an application to use more memory than it should. Can an application chew uup memory and the memory never get returned to the OS, even after the application is closed? Not easily. OS X uses virtual memory space for the most part so while hard leaks are not unknown, they are not common anymore either.
 
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rs2sensen said:
There are different types and speeds of Ram as designated by the numbers.
I got a 512 mb stick for like $55, it was a pretty good deal, and has been working great for me for a while.

Yours would be under: http://powerlinememory.com/powerbook_15inch_superdrive_167.htm
Their prices are:
1 GB $174
512MB $54.99
256MB $26

They seemed reliable, my ram works great, shipping was easy...etc. But, if you do a search on the forum for other ram related posts, you'll see a billion other sites that have good deals too.

Thanks. Those are some pretty good deals. A stick of 512MB for $55 isn't bad at all. Thanks so much for that link! :)
 
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no problem, I mean it's just a generic stick, but it works fine for me!
 
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The cheapest that I found so far (but I may be wrong)
512MB £54.04 (USD98 or so)
1GB £163.33 (USD295 or so)

Where did you find these prices from?

I have had a quick search around and the best I can find in the UK is £110.87 for 512MB.

Have you got a URL for us?
 
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I have 768mbs but if you plan on using VPC the you should deffenetly max out your RAM. LimeWire takes alot too
 

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