Which web browser do you use?

[giulio]

Yes you're right, I was exaggerating and overstating. Safari had me very frustrated lately. The last two projects were slightly nightmarish because of it. I feel much better now =)

I would not design a website differently for ANY browser. The way I see it, why should I do extra work because they want to be different?? But, its the browser the client has that dictates my work. Some, in rural areas of the states, need their site to work in IE 5. Not five point five. Five-Oh, on windows Ninety-Eight. YYIIKEESS. "And can you have those nice opacity transitions and ajax controls, too?? Thanks." haha!!

The ram test I did was very quick and not so thorough. I'd love to do a truer test but don't know when I can squeeze in the time. Maybe now?

Thanks for the compliment on my site. It's been fun. And the Javascript audio engine I built has been adopted into Scriptaculous. Very excited.

 

[giulio]

Yes you're right, I was exaggerating and overstating. Safari had me very frustrated lately. The last two projects were slightly nightmarish because of it. I feel much better now =)

I would not design a website differently for ANY browser. The way I see it, why should I do extra work because they want to be different?? But, its the browser the client has that dictates my work. Some, in rural areas of the states, need their site to work in IE 5. Not five point five. Five-Oh, on windows Ninety-Eight. YYIIKEESS. "And can you have those nice opacity transitions and ajax controls, too?? Thanks." haha!!

The ram test I did was very quick and not so thorough. I'd love to do a truer test but don't know when I can squeeze in the time. Maybe now?

Thanks for the compliment on my site. It's been fun. And the Javascript audio engine I built has been adopted into Scriptaculous. Very excited.

 

[giulio]

I re-ran my test, the correct way. Last time i was using Activity Monitor - thats where the extra 120 or so MB ram went. I apologize for the very wrong results!
This time I used only MenuMeters to see the ram/swap usage.
Here is my procedure and results:

Restart
Memory used: 147.4MB (64MB Swap)
Open Safari
Open 5 bookmarks in tabs
Click each tab, scroll every page to the botoom.
Memory used: 170.1MB (64MB Swap)

Restart
Memory used: 145.0MB (64MB Swap)
Open Firefox
Open 5 bookmarks in tabs
Click each tab, scroll every page to the botoom.
Memory used: 165.8MB (64MB Swap)

So there is the difference. Safari/Webkit used 22.6MB. Firefox used 20.8MB
Not much of a difference at all.

 

[giulio]

I re-ran my test, the correct way. Last time i was using Activity Monitor - thats where the extra 120 or so MB ram went. I apologize for the very wrong results!
This time I used only MenuMeters to see the ram/swap usage.
Here is my procedure and results:

Restart
Memory used: 147.4MB (64MB Swap)
Open Safari
Open 5 bookmarks in tabs
Click each tab, scroll every page to the botoom.
Memory used: 170.1MB (64MB Swap)

Restart
Memory used: 145.0MB (64MB Swap)
Open Firefox
Open 5 bookmarks in tabs
Click each tab, scroll every page to the botoom.
Memory used: 165.8MB (64MB Swap)

So there is the difference. Safari/Webkit used 22.6MB. Firefox used 20.8MB
Not much of a difference at all.

 

[Discerptor]

Ah, I see. I stand corrected on Firefox then. I haven't had much experience with 2.0 to be honest. And wow... IE 5.0?! That just sounds... horrific. That's really cool that your engine's getting adopted into Scriptaculous. The fact you can get sounds working like that without the need for any plugins is just awesome. All we need now is for IE to get up to speed. XD

 

[Discerptor]

Ah, I see. I stand corrected on Firefox then. I haven't had much experience with 2.0 to be honest. And wow... IE 5.0?! That just sounds... horrific. That's really cool that your engine's getting adopted into Scriptaculous. The fact you can get sounds working like that without the need for any plugins is just awesome. All we need now is for IE to get up to speed. XD

 

[giulio]

Well, I don't know what happens to memory usage after hours of use.

Rendering is ok in IE 5. But rollover are a problem because of flickering. So you gotta do all this JS stuff to preload and hold things in arrays and BLECH.

The sounds are actually easiest to implement in IE. I just dynamically create and destroy BGSOUND elements. However, some other browsers do not have native support for sounds. So it gets dicey figuring out the browser, OS, available plugins, etc.
Truth be told, the sound engine does use plugins (if you're not on IE or Opera). However if none is available, it does not report an ugly warning: "Missing plugin, click here to search for a non existent plugin, get frustrated, and turn the computer off" =)

 

[giulio]

Well, I don't know what happens to memory usage after hours of use.

Rendering is ok in IE 5. But rollover are a problem because of flickering. So you gotta do all this JS stuff to preload and hold things in arrays and BLECH.

The sounds are actually easiest to implement in IE. I just dynamically create and destroy BGSOUND elements. However, some other browsers do not have native support for sounds. So it gets dicey figuring out the browser, OS, available plugins, etc.
Truth be told, the sound engine does use plugins (if you're not on IE or Opera). However if none is available, it does not report an ugly warning: "Missing plugin, click here to search for a non existent plugin, get frustrated, and turn the computer off" =)

 

[Richie_Gecko]

So let's see what browser seems to be the favorite...

Hmm...trick question LOL

I use Safari on my mac, and Firefox on my work PC.

 

[Richie_Gecko]

So let's see what browser seems to be the favorite...

Hmm...trick question LOL

I use Safari on my mac, and Firefox on my work PC.

 

[EliteKilla01]

Been using Opera ever since version 7.

 

[EliteKilla01]

Been using Opera ever since version 7.

 

[powermacj7]

Firefox for me never felt like a Mac App. Has more of the Windows feeling to it.

 

[powermacj7]

Firefox for me never felt like a Mac App. Has more of the Windows feeling to it.

 

[rixx03]

I use Safari because it's built-in, and I don't really like Firefox/Opera as a Mac app. I've been using Opera for Windows since it was in version 7, but it never had the look and feel for a Mac.

Safari is the best browser for Mac. It's simple but it works! But one thing I hate about it is that you can't edit the page source. It may be a resource hog, but it's real fast and I have a lot of RAM anyway.

 

[rixx03]

I use Safari because it's built-in, and I don't really like Firefox/Opera as a Mac app. I've been using Opera for Windows since it was in version 7, but it never had the look and feel for a Mac.

Safari is the best browser for Mac. It's simple but it works! But one thing I hate about it is that you can't edit the page source. It may be a resource hog, but it's real fast and I have a lot of RAM anyway.

 

[giulio]

Remember when Microsoft was hated for packaging IE with their OS?

 

[giulio]

Remember when Microsoft was hated for packaging IE with their OS?

 

[voiceofra]

Currently giving Omniweb a test drive

I've been a staunch Firefox user since the "Phoenix" days. But I'm also a geek. I explore different options.
I gave Camino a try, the gecko engine and mac-ness was nice, but it just wasnt very extensible.
Gave Safari a goood run for the money..installed Saft, Safari Enhancer, ran Webkit.

Lately I've been using OmniWeb. Also a Webkit browser, but it uses a newer version than Safari.
I dig the thumbnail tabs and drawer. VERY OS X app-like.
The per-site settings, the regex ad blocking, little things make it very spiffy in my book.
OmniGroup's use of and enhancement of Webkit is obvious:
[url="http://www.flickr.com/photos/ghoti/444229707/" ]

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[voiceofra]

Currently giving Omniweb a test drive

I've been a staunch Firefox user since the "Phoenix" days. But I'm also a geek. I explore different options.
I gave Camino a try, the gecko engine and mac-ness was nice, but it just wasnt very extensible.
Gave Safari a goood run for the money..installed Saft, Safari Enhancer, ran Webkit.

Lately I've been using OmniWeb. Also a Webkit browser, but it uses a newer version than Safari.
I dig the thumbnail tabs and drawer. VERY OS X app-like.
The per-site settings, the regex ad blocking, little things make it very spiffy in my book.
OmniGroup's use of and enhancement of Webkit is obvious:
[url="http://www.flickr.com/photos/ghoti/444229707/" ]

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