Snow Leopard VS. Lion

[Groovetube]

maybe I should spring for the vmware 4 upgrade.

 

[dtravis7]

CWA, you said who uses the Start menu. This is what happens with XP when people refuse to use the start menu. This is a friend of mines desktop. EVERYONE who looks at it gets dizzy and freaks.

http://theconnection.ods.org/~dennistravis/GaryWindowsscreen.JPG

I can not tolerate even 1/2 that many icons on a desktop. My friends house is as messy as that desktop!

I wound rather use a DOS prompt than that mess!

 

[Groovetube]

holy crap.

 

[cwa107]

LOL... wow!

 

[dtravis7]

LOL... wow!

One friend with Epilepsy saw it and said they felt like it was going to trigger a seizure! Not kidding! I just noticed he had a chat opened with me when he shot that screenshot!


I have seen other desktops in all my windows repairing that were quite bad, but this one takes the cake!

Anyway, back to our Topic on Lion Vs SL and now ML!

 

[vansmith]

That screenshot makes my head hurt. This is why I get bothered if I have more than 3 icons on my desktop.

maybe I should spring for the vmware 4 upgrade.

I just noticed now that VirtualBox has a preset for Windows 8. So, if you're looking to upgrade your VM software, it might not hurt to look at VBox. Interestingly, it defaults to 1GB of RAM which I don't think is even close to enough but we'll see.

 

[Ctrl-Opt-Del]

Dennis, I think people like you and I (and maybe even some from Vansmith's generation) that cut their teeth on command lines and early GUI metaphors are going to have a hard time adjusting to "the new order".

Well, although the first GUI-based computer I personally owned was a Windows 95 PC - before that I had a couple of oldskool home computers running various flavours of BASIC - I did use some friends' PCs with Windows 3.11 on them before that, and the method of launching apps on that OS was simply selecting the appropriate icon from a folder on the otherwise almost empty desktop!

(Indeed, I remember finding myself struck by the sophistication of the GUI on one friend's Macintosh Performa running System 7! )

So, I find myself surprisingly familiar & comfortable with selecting apps from a grid-layout launcher screen such as found on OS X Lion / Mountain Lion and - to a slightly more contrived degree - Windows 8.

 

[Ctrl-Opt-Del]

You can develop them with web technologies (HTML, CSS, JS, etc.) or .NET. The problem however is not in the development but in the distribution - Metro apps can only be installed through the Windows Store (see here). This effectively locks people in if they want to use Metro applications.

I'm not too worried about this. If people managed to figure-out how to Jailbreak iOS - which was designed from the get-go to be locked-down - I'm sure it will be possible to Jailbreak Windows 8, which is built off of a formerly (relatively) open platform.

 

[vansmith]

True but that leaves us with two questions: why should we have to "jailbreak" our computers and how many average users will know how (or even be familiar with the concept)? From where I sit, these shouldn't even be questions that we're asking.

 

[Ctrl-Opt-Del]

True but that leaves us with two questions: why should we have to "jailbreak" our computers and how many average users will know how (or even be familiar with the concept)? From where I sit, these shouldn't even be questions that we're asking.

Oh, I agree. However, sadly, as application-installation locking-down seems to be the way the wind is blowing (Mountain Lion's Gatekeeper is presented as just a "security feature", but I know from reading the posts on this forum that I'm not the only one who's a little dubious about that) - due to OS developers' whims being given more consideration than consumer preferences (just look at the almost condescending attitude of Canonical with regard to user response to the Unity interface in Ubuntu) - I fear it will be necessary; unfair and unreasonable as it may be.

And, as regards the general public knowing "how"; that's what forums like this and OverClockers.com are for

 

[Alwyn]

Lion vs Snow Leopard

10.6 (Snow Leopard) will eventually lose support, but it probably won't be for another few years. Apple typically doesn't drop support until 2-3 major subsequent releases have come out.

In my opinion, Lion is a gimicky train wreck of an update that tries to shoehorn a bunch of iPad/iOS-inspired user interface elements where they don't necessarily fit well. Some of the new features actually break existing functionality that had worked very well (Exposé for one example). In addition, other features are dropped entirely (Rosetta for older, PPC-based apps and Front Row support).

Personally, if I could do it easily, I would just roll back to 10.6 and stay there until such a time when Apple releases a real update to OS X that actually improves things instead of adding a bunch of bloat and gimicky, grafted-on changes that make little sense.

I'm certain others will feel differently, but for me, Lion hasn't been an upgrade... I've spent more time finding work arounds and "undoing" things that Apple has changed than actually using my computer, which is something I'm not accustomed to doing with Apple products.

I agree. I persuaded my wife to buy an iMac and am wrestling with various problems. Why, for example, treat us all like idiots so that we have to click on the Alt key in Finder/Go to see Library etc. Okay Ctrl-Opt-Del I suppose there must have been a number of incidents of accidental damage to prompt this change.

One of the most useful features in SL is the ability to create an alias for a folder drag it to Favorites and rename it. In Lion it reverts to the underlying name of the folder, not much help if you have dozens of subfolders with the same name. The only solution to this seems to be to stick the Alias on the right hand side of the Dock.

Having said that can anybody please tell me why, when I try to import and address book (ldif) with 294 addresses I end up with an Address Book with only 45 and why there is no Address Book icon visible in Mail? It seems that there was more than one address book but the Address Book still doesn't show in Mail.

 

[Ctrl-Opt-Del]

Why...treat us all like idiots so that we have to click on the Alt key in Finder/Go to see Library etc.

I think it's more to do with preventing accidental damage due to accidental access than a lack of respect for users' intelligence. Microsoft did the same thing with Windows XP, throwing-up a warning when one tried to navigate to the \Windows directory, but still allowing the user to dismiss the message and access it if they so wish.

 

[vansmith]

I just reinstalled the Windows 8 Dev Preview and to be honest, I don't remember it being this slow. I'll have to tweak some of VBox's settings later but as it is right now, Metro is awfully terrible with regards to performance (granted, I am using a VM so I let some things slide).

 

[dtravis7]

Here Van the only computer Metro was fast and smooth on was my Gaming rig with fast ATI/AMD Video card. Some is driver support for a given chipset. I tried it in a GMA950 and there was no real driver and it was awful.

 

[vansmith]

It could very well be that because I am virtualizing it, Windows is struggling to keep up graphically. Unfortunately, despite VBox having a preset for Win8, the guest additions don't work so I can't add 3D support.

 

[Alwyn]

The ScrollBars are not gone from Lion. There are 3 settings in fact. On all the time, On when there is a mouse and until you scroll.

Check System Preferences, General.

Thanks for the tip. A thought for folks struggling with Lion: Do you remember how long it took to get up and running with a new Windows PC with a new OS? It may be that my age is a bar but, when I was working, it usually took me two otherwise unproductive weeks to get anywhere. I admit that my first iMac took a bit of getting used to. It looks as if I'll have my wife's doing everything I want it to do within a week and this Forum plus Applecare are both a great help.

 

[Alwyn]

I agree with Chas in everything except Time machine as it was first introduced in 10.5 Leopard. It's not a LION thing. I have been using it since the day 10.5 was released and love it in fact!

And yes, Time Machine can be disabled also.

Being only a relative newcomer, Snow Leopard being the first OS for me, I'm at a loss to understand why anyone would want to disable Time Machine.

 

[Kid_Tech]

Yes and No

The problems I have had with lion on my MacBook Pro 13.3" is that Lion does not like to network with anything other than X-Serve and I have also had MAJOR problems with older applications because of the drop of the Rosetta drivers. (But then again you could just buy the new application version if you wanted to spend the money) Other than that I would back Lion 100%

 

[cwa107]

The problems I have had with lion on my MacBook Pro 13.3" is that Lion does not like to network with anything other than X-Serve.

How so? I have no troubles connecting to my NAS (which uses Windows SMB), nor any of my Windows XP or 7 machines.

 

[dtravis7]

How so? I have no troubles connecting to my NAS (which uses Windows SMB), nor any of my Windows XP or 7 machines.

Ditto on my end and I have 10 access points set up for testing and range and my 2 Macs with Lion connect to all of them and all my networked computers.