Snow Leopard VS. Lion

[claritydoc789]

So does this permanently

Did you click GO and hold down the Option Key? If so your Library will magically appear!

Not a joke, works.

Using Terminal:
chflags nohidden ~/Library/

Thanks for the reply. I will try to help others more often but only if I know it works.

 

[vansmith]

I'm not trying to be argumentative or contradictory but do you really think that most user don't use they're library? I generally have no reason to there but on occasion a couple of timers per quarter I need access to it. While I am quite tech savvy I try not to be with my own computers. I tend to just "use them"

Yes, I don't think the majority of Mac users need to go in there. For regular day to day activities, there's little need to interact with ~/Library. The only time most people need to go in there is if something is wrong.

OK folks take a deep breath then sin a bit..Lion is not GREAT Lion is a step. The direction OSX is going reminds me of blind commitment of canonical to Gnome 3. Lion is what it is it is a step to inform mac users that OS X and iOS are going to merge for better or worse. iOS, OS X 10.7 and iCloud are a powerful argument but before I buy in I'd like to see what Canonical can to with Ubuntu one.

I'll agree with you here - Canonical does seem unwaveringly committed to Unity. I suppose however that this is to be expected since they put a lot of work into it. As for Ubuntu One, I'd give it a serious look if they had a Mac client (they have clients for Windows, Android, iOS and of course Linux but no OS X). Having 2.5 times as much free storage as Dropbox is a major selling point.

 

[chas_m]

Having 2.5 times as much free storage as Dropbox is a major selling point.

Doesn't iCloud offer 2.5 times as much free storage as Dropbox? Or box.com for that matter?

 

[vansmith]

iCloud sure does but I can't use it the same way I can use Dropbox (just put files in a folder) nor is it cross-platform to the extent that Dropbox is (I need Android and Linux support). Box.net is almost there but has made it clear that they are prioritizing Windows and OS X over Linux so they have the same problem that One does - a missing client for a platform I use. It seems however that Canonical is closer to having a Mac client than Box is to having a Linux client.

This is where Dropbox takes the cake - they support each of the five platforms that I use (Windows, OS X, Linux, Android and iOS). But you make a valid point about the space - 5GB for free is nothing new. It just seems however that the "5GB plan" solutions don't offer everything that Dropbox does in terms of accessing that data.

 

[Shikarnov]

10.7.3 fixed that for most. Wonder what is up?

Launchpad is basically IOS on OSX. You don't have to use it but I fear in future OSX versions, OSX will become IOS. I hope I am wrong.

Also look at Windows 8. It's a Cell Phone/Tablet OS on the desktop. It was just announced they are even taking out the Start menu which will make it all like Windows Phone OS.

When I first tried Launchpad, I was absolutely enamored. It's a fantastic idea that is very poorly implemented -- which is unusual for Apple.

I would be using it as my primary app launcher...

• if it was keyboard navigable,
• if it didn't take liberties with my application order,
• if it didn't repeatedly suck in every program in my Applications folder (even after I painstakingly removed the ones I didn't want),
• and if it came with a user-friendly utility to manage applications and their order.

 

[claritydoc789]

Protecting the "Library"

No user should have to spend a lot of time in ~/Library. I may head in there once a week at most to find a log file or modify a plist but I am a much more advanced user than most. I do more with my OS X install than 90% of users. That 90% doesn't need to go into ~/Library and although I don't like that Apple hides it by default, it was done to prevent that 90% from tinkering where they probably shouldn't be.

I'm interested to know what type of solution you'd propose? You say that Apple doesn't have the skill to thwart newbies (to use your terminology). What would you do then? The user has to have write privileges so you can't take those away. Moving it elsewhere doesn't really solve the problem either because then you've essentially just moved the problem.

Or a better title should be protecting users from themselves. I would use bigger and more demonstrable warnings to make them hesitate and think.

I am guessing from some of these replies and the fact we are talking about Macs that not many of you play games on your Mac. All conversation logs default to the library so if you play often.... :Mischievous

 

[dtravis7]

I find it so easy to hold option and click on Go and Library I don't even have to think about it to do it.

 

[vansmith]

Or a better title should be protecting users from themselves. I would use bigger and more demonstrable warnings to make them hesitate and think.

Like what? Warnings don't mean anything if a user wants to muck around in ~/Library. The ultimate solution is one that prevents people from writing to ~/Library but that defeats the purpose.

 

[chas_m]

When I first tried Launchpad, I was absolutely enamored. It's a fantastic idea that is very poorly implemented -- which is unusual for Apple.

Actually IME this is not at all unusual for Apple. They very often jump in with a fantastic idea that is poorly or only half-implemented in the early versions and grows to become brilliant over several releases. The G4 Cube, the original AppleTV and iMovie 07 are just three examples I can think of off the top of my head.

(Final Cut Pro X looks to be repeating the iMovie story all over again, starting off as a radical new idea but quite incomplete and now quickly turning into a game-changer.)

 

[Ctrl-Opt-Del]

Actually IME this is not at all unusual for Apple. They very often jump in with a fantastic idea that is poorly or only half-implemented in the early versions and grows to become brilliant over several releases. The G4 Cube, the original AppleTV and iMovie 07 are just three examples I can think of off the top of my head.

(Final Cut Pro X looks to be repeating the iMovie story all over again, starting off as a radical new idea but quite incomplete and now quickly turning into a game-changer.)

Very true, look at OS X itself: 10.0 was very aptly named as "Cheetah", it was so buggy & incomplete that it was only released as an optional alternate boot option on new Macs, secondary to OS 9; with 10.1 subsequently being given-out for free to people with machines already running 10.0 (as more of a service pack than an actual upgrade), as Apple acknowledged that OS X wasn't really a full Operating System until they added-in the features of Puma.

 

[Shikarnov]

^ Hmm... It would seem that I jumped into the Apple world at a time when they had their act together. Not that that makes me feel better about the current situation... C'est la vie, I guess.

 

[Discerptor]

(Final Cut Pro X looks to be repeating the iMovie story all over again, starting off as a radical new idea but quite incomplete and now quickly turning into a game-changer.)

I chuckled.

^ Hmm... It would seem that I jumped into the Apple world at a time when they had their act together. Not that that makes me feel better about the current situation... C'est la vie, I guess.

There was a time when a popular adage was "Don't buy Rev A Apple products." I would say we've just been in an extended "calm period" where Apple hasn't been making any legitimately new products for a long while. Mac OS X in terms of the user experience didn't really change between October 2007 (Leopard's release) and when Lion came out in the middle of 2011 due to the nature of Snow Leopard, Apple's major Rev A "hump" with Intel-powered Macs happened in 2006 when the heat problems were out of control, and the iPod line hasn't had any additions since the iPod Touch debuted in 2007, which itself was just a stripped down iPhone (which there were many complaints about at launch...). The iPad probably had the most painless Rev A hump of any Apple product in recent memory, but it also had the advantage of not having any real competition to compare against.

I'm hoping Apple gets its act together again in a year or two, though the damage may already be done in some cases like Final Cut, which large professional studios keep abandoning - the consensus seems to be that even after adjusting to the new way of doing things, it's only usable for working on small, personal projects where you don't actually have to collaborate with anyone else. That said, given the price point, this may be what Apple is aiming for anyway.

 

[vansmith]

The iPad probably had the most painless Rev A hump of any Apple product in recent memory, but it also had the advantage of not having any real competition to compare against.

More importantly, it had a prebuilt foundation in the iPhone and iPod Touch. The fact that, in many ways, it is a "blown up iPhone" made the transition much smoother than an entirely new device.

 

[chas_m]

I'm hoping Apple gets its act together again in a year or two, though the damage may already be done in some cases like Final Cut, which large professional studios keep abandoning

Large professional studios appear to be coming back to it with fresh eyes now that 10.0.3 is out with improved XML export/import of projects. I'm heading to LA and may update this post with my findings, since I have to go deal with some video pros down there.

 

[Abe_T2020]

SL vs Lion

I have just reinstalled Snow Leopard. It seems that my old iMac (late 2006) likes it better. I have run Lion for a few months but I started to have issues with compatibility???Does anyone had the same problems?

10.6 (Snow Leopard) will eventually lose support, but it probably won't be for another few years. Apple typically doesn't drop support until 2-3 major subsequent releases have come out.

In my opinion, Lion is a gimicky train wreck of an update that tries to shoehorn a bunch of iPad/iOS-inspired user interface elements where they don't necessarily fit well. Some of the new features actually break existing functionality that had worked very well (Exposé for one example). In addition, other features are dropped entirely (Rosetta for older, PPC-based apps and Front Row support).

Personally, if I could do it easily, I would just roll back to 10.6 and stay there until such a time when Apple releases a real update to OS X that actually improves things instead of adding a bunch of bloat and gimicky, grafted-on changes that make little sense.

I'm certain others will feel differently, but for me, Lion hasn't been an upgrade... I've spent more time finding work arounds and "undoing" things that Apple has changed than actually using my computer, which is something I'm not accustomed to doing with Apple products.

 

[mntwins7]

Snow Leopard VS> Lion

Hey all, new Mac user learning the ropes and having fun doing so.
Thanks so much for all the help this far, everyone has helped to make this transition a very smooth one.

I'm starting a thread curious about updating to Lion from my current Snow Leopard. What are everyone's thoughts on the updates? Should I do it? What are the main differences between the two? Will Snow Leopard soon loose support the way Microsoft phased out XP, etc.?

I will say, if you want the most efficient and reliable OS then stick with Snow Leopard. There are still bugs in Lion. However, I have Lion and it is a smooth runner. I think it's great. Also, this summer Mountain Lion comes out: Find out more...

 

[pingukoto3264]

I have just reinstalled Snow Leopard. It seems that my old iMac (late 2006) likes it better. I have run Lion for a few months but I started to have issues with compatibility???Does anyone had the same problems?

The same thing has happened to me! I also have an iMac from late 2006 and when I updated it every thing became real buggy and slow. Compatibility has also become a problem. So I too downgraded and am currently running Snow leopard. I guess the updates have become to advanced for my Mac.

 

[dtravis7]

The Compatibility issues are because you are trying to run Non Intel Apps mostly. Lion did away with Rosetta which is a Power PC Emulator, so no Power PC app will run in Lion.

 

[hugtheslug]

Well just for the record I have once again installed Lion (my previous attempt was an upgrade to 10.7.0 freshly downloaded from the App Store, and because of the sluggish response and inability to recognise a USB stick, I downgraded back to Snowy).

This time I made a DVD from the 10.7.3 version and carried out a fresh installation, using a Time Machine backup to restore user apps and settings.

Everything seems to be working fine after a week, and after tweaking the system back to what I'm used to (apart from reverse scrolling which is actually OK after a while), Lion will be staying.

Cheers

Hugh

... and now they tell me Mountain Lion is due out this summer !

 

[Groovetube]

Large professional studios appear to be coming back to it with fresh eyes now that 10.0.3 is out with improved XML export/import of projects. I'm heading to LA and may update this post with my findings, since I have to go deal with some video pros down there.

That may, be the case on a very limited basis, but dealing with many and large video edit shops sometimes daily, (one client being a really large well know shop), it's quite a stretch to use the term "game changer" at this point. They have from my perspective, quite a ways to go before claiming that title. Not saying it can't happen, but it seems apple's trajectory is clearly, consumer based.

On the subject of lion, is's just not there yet. I did try, on a machine with a fresh install, did everything right. But it was definitely to me, a downgrade compared to snow leopard.

Perhaps, well I'm really hoping here, things will improve. I don't mind all -that- much the iOS integration, but I do NOT want to run iOS.

If I did, I'd use an iPad as a production machine, and that's just laughable at this point.