Snow Leopard VS. Lion

[Discerptor]

Your choice but SL will be very out of date in the very near future. Maybe Windows 8 Cloud will be the future for you and others!

The only good cloud computing solution is a dead one as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Germany_chris]

Your choice but SL will be very out of date in the very near future. Maybe Windows 8 Cloud will be the future for you and others!

If the very near future is 3 years of so then I agree..

We'll see that the later version of 10.7 hold and what 10.8 holds. Windows 8 while nice and slim in the beta is not what I call a pleasant OS.

**edit**

Because of all the griping and complaining about 10.7.3 I figured I do a fresh clean super sexy install. The only non-apple program in there right now is Toast and MDRP we'll see if just running Apple code helps

 

[claritydoc789]

Leopard to Lion

Hey all, new Mac user learning the ropes and having fun doing so.
Thanks so much for all the help this far, everyone has helped to make this transition a very smooth one.

I'm starting a thread curious about updating to Lion from my current Snow Leopard. What are everyone's thoughts on the updates? Should I do it? What are the main differences between the two? Will Snow Leopard soon loose support the way Microsoft phased out XP, etc.?

Personally, having done it, I wish I hadn't! Not worth it. The most annoying thing is they have hidden "Library" where a lot of back-ups and other useful information was stored.
I am here to find it again because the recent upgrade hid it again!!! Grrrr

 

[chas_m]

Apple hid the user library because too many people who really shouldn't be mucking about in there were doing so and then complaining to Apple when they lost data.

The User Library remains accessible to anyone even while hidden: use the Go menu, there's even a pre-set item to take you directly to it, no command or anything required.

If you happen to be someone who feels that they know what they are doing in the Library, then you're probably also someone who knows how to do a forum search to find the method to unhide the User library. Or even a Google search.

I didn't like that they hid the user library either, but having been on these forums a while I perfectly understand why they did it.

 

[Shikarnov]

I upgraded to Lion recently, to take advantage of the new iBooks Author (iBA). I have to admit that I find nothing compelling about either of them, really. Lion offers no compelling advantage over Snow Leopard that I can see -- except that Apple seems to be making some programs available only on Lion (although, in the case of iBA, I can see no technical or functional reason for doing so).

Worse, some of the most exciting features of Lion, like Lauchpad, are inherently broken and are unusable. The operating system takes enormous liberties with file permissions, locking files without explicit instruction and then forcing you to create duplicates in order to save without overwriting the locked originals. Scrolling out of the box is backwards, and scrollbars are missing. If you buy Lion, I hope you've got time to spend de-lousing the system of all its fundamental flaws.

I've been using Macs since Tiger, and this is the first product to come out of Cupertino with which I haven't been thoroughly pleased. If I didn't need iBA, I'd go back to Snow Leopard in a New York minute.

On a scale relative to Windows, Lion is yet another competent Apple release. On a scale relative to other Apple products, Lion falls very far. It's like they pushed it out before it was ready, with features that were shoehorned in just because somebody thought they were cool, and interface changes that improve the user experience not at all. They should have titled it OSX 10.7: Vista.

 

[dtravis7]

Vista? That made me almost destroy my iMac by spitting my soda all over it. Sorry.

 

[Shikarnov]

lol. No need to apologize to me. I'm just glad your system is still intact.

 

[Discerptor]

I didn't like that they hid the user library either, but having been on these forums a while I perfectly understand why they did it.

I am at this moment recalling all those threads that went along the lines "Hey guys, I deleted my System folder and now my Mac doesn't start up all the way! What's wrong???"

I've been using Macs since Tiger, and this is the first product to come out of Cupertino with which I haven't been thoroughly pleased. If I didn't need iBA, I'd go back to Snow Leopard in a New York minute.

I don't know whether I'm allowed to discuss such things on the forum, but I've heard rumors that there are ways to have your cake and eat it too in this particular case.

 

[claritydoc789]

Don't Judge, less ye be judged.

Apple hid the user library because too many people who really shouldn't be mucking about in there were doing so and then complaining to Apple when they lost data.

The User Library remains accessible to anyone even while hidden: use the Go menu, there's even a pre-set item to take you directly to it, no command or anything required.

If you happen to be someone who feels that they know what they are doing in the Library, then you're probably also someone who knows how to do a forum search to find the method to unhide the User library. Or even a Google search.

I didn't like that they hid the user library either, but having been on these forums a while I perfectly understand why they did it.

I tried the use of the go menu which I remember using before the latest upgrade (2 Gig+ just like Microsoft!) it said the Library could not be found. When this folder holds items that are used regularly -logs, backups, and other assistance it does not consider the end user to hide it. They just didn't have the skill to design the system to thwart the knee jerk reactions of newbies. Sorry but I don't sympathize, look at it as an opportunity to educate, it goes on for all of us.
Thank you for your assistance-I think.

 

[dtravis7]

Did you click GO and hold down the Option Key? If so your Library will magically appear!

Not a joke, works.

 

[Shikarnov]

I don't know whether I'm allowed to discuss such things on the forum, but I've heard rumors that there are ways to have your cake and eat it too in this particular case.

Better to err on the side of caution. The mods on this board are rather strict about such things -- and rightly so. I'll take my grievance to Google to see what turns up.

Thanks,

Z

 

[vansmith]

I tried the use of the go menu which I remember using before the latest upgrade (2 Gig+ just like Microsoft!) it said the Library could not be found. When this folder holds items that are used regularly -logs, backups, and other assistance it does not consider the end user to hide it. They just didn't have the skill to design the system to thwart the knee jerk reactions of newbies. Sorry but I don't sympathize, look at it as an opportunity to educate, it goes on for all of us.
Thank you for your assistance-I think.

No user should have to spend a lot of time in ~/Library. I may head in there once a week at most to find a log file or modify a plist but I am a much more advanced user than most. I do more with my OS X install than 90% of users. That 90% doesn't need to go into ~/Library and although I don't like that Apple hides it by default, it was done to prevent that 90% from tinkering where they probably shouldn't be.

I'm interested to know what type of solution you'd propose? You say that Apple doesn't have the skill to thwart newbies (to use your terminology). What would you do then? The user has to have write privileges so you can't take those away. Moving it elsewhere doesn't really solve the problem either because then you've essentially just moved the problem.

 

[Postoak]

Don't try to force me to upgrade to Lion. Don't try to force me to use the Cloud, then charge me $25.00 a year to access it. Not going to do it!!

 

[dtravis7]

Windows 8 Cloud is looking better and better according to some! Grin

Microsoft never forces anyone to do anything and their OS Versions are free!

Yeah right. Lets take 10.3 - 10.4. People said that was a service pack. No it was not. 10.3.1, 10.3.2, ETC are free and like so called Microsoft Service Packs. If a new 64-Bit OS like Lion is not worth $29, then tell me how A FULL INSTALL (that can be moved to another computer) of Windows 7 Ultimate costs $300-399 is worth that much.

And please don't throw a System Builders Home Premium at me. Change the motherboard and try to reinstall your System Builders.

 

[vansmith]

Don't try to force me to upgrade to Lion. Don't try to force me to use the Cloud, then charge me $25.00 a year to access it. Not going to do it!!

iCloud is free and you're not obligated to use it.

 

[bazanders]

I first tried OSX just over 2 years ago, used SL for most of that and loved it. I would like Lion alot more if it didnt keep losing my wireless everytime it woke from sleep(have to turn off wifi on the menu bar, then turn back on to get it connected again) and this is on a new 2011 imac that came with lion. Interestingly enough this didnt happen till i updated to 10.7.3, i know lots of people had this issue with 10.7.0.

Another issue i have is Lion says my network laser needs its optical photoconductor replacing, which it doesnt, works fine on win PC's and previously on SL, (still prints ok if you ignore this message).

Also dont see the point of launchpad, but not really an issue i just dont use it(use Alfred instead its superb).

Other than that its OK, but preferred SL

 

[dtravis7]

10.7.3 fixed that for most. Wonder what is up?

Launchpad is basically IOS on OSX. You don't have to use it but I fear in future OSX versions, OSX will become IOS. I hope I am wrong.

Also look at Windows 8. It's a Cell Phone/Tablet OS on the desktop. It was just announced they are even taking out the Start menu which will make it all like Windows Phone OS.

 

[Germany_chris]

No user should have to spend a lot of time in ~/Library. I may head in there once a week at most to find a log file or modify a plist but I am a much more advanced user than most. I do more with my OS X install than 90% of users. That 90% doesn't need to go into ~/Library and although I don't like that Apple hides it by default, it was done to prevent that 90% from tinkering where they probably shouldn't be.

I'm interested to know what type of solution you'd propose? You say that Apple doesn't have the skill to thwart newbies (to use your terminology). What would you do then? The user has to have write privileges so you can't take those away. Moving it elsewhere doesn't really solve the problem either because then you've essentially just moved the problem.

I'm not trying to be argumentative or contradictory but do you really think that most user don't use they're library? I generally have no reason to there but on occasion a couple of timers per quarter I need access to it. While I am quite tech savvy I try not to be with my own computers. I tend to just "use them"

 

[Germany_chris]

OK folks take a deep breath then sin a bit..Lion is not GREAT Lion is a step. The direction OSX is going reminds me of blind commitment of canonical to Gnome 3. Lion is what it is it is a step to inform mac users that OS X and iOS are going to merge for better or worse. iOS, OS X 10.7 and iCloud are a powerful argument but before I buy in I'd like to see what Canonical can to with Ubuntu one.

 

[bazanders]

10.7.3 fixed that for most. Wonder what is up?

Beats me it was fine till i updated to 10.7.3, on my previous imac(3.06GHz Core2 Duo) i updated to 10.7.0 and had issues with wireless, when i updated to 10.7.2 they went away.
Purchased the new imac, everything fine until the update???
The optical photoconductor apparently is a cups issue with lion, (incidently if i connect via usb the problem goes away)lots of threads about it i.e

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3282272?start=0&tstart=0

Also look at Windows 8. It's a Cell Phone/Tablet OS on the desktop. It was just announced they are even taking out the Start menu which will make it all like Windows Phone OS.

That would IMO be possibly the biggest mistake Microsoft has ever made