New 27" 5K iMac question

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I'll chime in and say that you'll also want some sort of external drive for backups of that "puppy," (as Nick called it, frankly it's more of a "beast" with those specs). I don't have full trust of fusion drives yet, and if either component fails (the SSD or the HD) then you lose everything on both. Generally backup drives should be twice the size of the drive they are backing up, so by that rule you need a 6TB backup, but you can go smaller until you see how full the fusion drive is getting. As long as you keep the external at twice what it is being used to back up, you'll be ok. And I concur what what's been said, get the CPU upgrade, do the memory yourself later. OWC and Crucial have memory much less pricey than Apple.
 
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All I see is a DVI port and a VGA port. Nothing else that I see.

Jake that backup will have to wait for now due to budget concerns. Now I'm confused because I see it has a fusion drive not a SSD drive unless I missed something when I was looking.
 
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Fusion is a blend of both SSD and HD. It's a merger into one logical drive so that the machine is very responsive (SSD) and very quick to boot (SSD) but not as expensive or limited in storage as a pure SSD would be, as data is moved from the SSD to the HD when you don't use it in a while. Unfortunately, that merger means that losing EITHER loses BOTH. I haven't heard a lot of failures in the fusion, but as the equipment ages, I suspect we'll start to see more as we go along.

EDIT: Additional stuff that isn't really that critical. The reason Fusion drives are less reliable is that because they have TWO drives, and if you lose EITHER you lose both. So, in an exaggeration, if one drive is 50% reliable and the other is also 50% reliable, the combination of the two is only 25% reliable as a fused pair. Now at the levels of reliability of current equipment, the diminution of the reliability is probably pretty small. As an example if both were 99% reliable, the pair fused would be 98% reliable. The difference is small, but it's there.
 
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Fusion is a blend of both SSD and HD. It's a merger into one logical drive so that the machine is very responsive (SSD) and very quick to boot (SSD) but not as expensive or limited in storage as a pure SSD would be, as data is moved from the SSD to the HD when you don't use it in a while. Unfortunately, that merger means that losing EITHER loses BOTH. I haven't heard a lot of failures in the fusion, but as the equipment ages, I suspect we'll start to see more as we go along.

Thank you sir, great info there. Lets just hope no failures. I will be purchasing the extended warranty. Hopefully this beast is good and everything holds up. Everything I have read so far says Mac is far superior in quality to a PC.
 

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All I see is a DVI port and a VGA port. Nothing else that I see.

This means you need a mini-displayport to DVI adapter:

Mini DisplayPort to DVI Adapter - Apple Store (U.S.)

Now I'm confused because I see it has a fusion drive not a SSD drive unless I missed something when I was looking.

I'm not sure why there is confusion.;) Did you really expect to get a 3 terabyte SSD for the upgrade price of just $150.

SSD's currently sell (depending on the capacity) from $.50 cents to $1.00 per gigabyte (sometimes even less for small SSD's on sale). I don't even think that they make a consumer level 3TB SSD yet. But if they did…it would probably cost much more than $1.00/gig. But even if it was $1.00/gig…that would mean that the 3TB drive you were thinking of getting would cost $3000 dollars!!!;)

Fusion drives are a hybrid of an SSD and a traditional HD. A small SSD + traditional spinning HD.

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Just wanted to add. If you go to the configure page for the 5k 27" iMac…you'll see that a 1TB SSD has an upgrade price of $800 bucks ($650 more than the 3TB fusion drive). Just imagine what the upgrade price would be for a 3TB SSD (if available).

So a $150 upgrade price for a 3TB Fusion drive would not make it a 100% SSD. That 3TB drive is just a very large traditional rotating HD…with a small SSD inside to help speed things up. Without that small SSD inside it…it would not be a "Fusion" drive…it would just be a large traditional rotating HD.

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Nick that cable is all I need? No other hardware or software? Just plug and play? Because I know I had to buy and install a dual graphics card for my PC. That seems way to easy! **** I'm loving me some Mac if that true.

For the harddrive I knew I was getting a 3TB Fusion instead of a SSD Drive. Not even sure they exist yet. I just wasn't exactly sure what a fusion drive was until Jake posted and I went and did some quick reading about them. Now I understand so much better.... **** Newbies...
 
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I plan on traveling to Apple store this weekend to get some hands on time with this beast but the closet Apple store is an hour away one way :(

Another question last one regarding hardware, Will my existing sound system plug right into the iMac? I have a creative sound system with a sub woofer. Just wondering if anything special is needed there?
Thanks again for the help!
 

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Nick that cable is all I need? No other hardware or software? Just plug and play? Because I know I had to buy and install a dual graphics card for my PC. That seems way to easy! **** I'm loving me some Mac if that true.

It really is that easy!:) Other than the adapter…you just need your DVI to DVI cable for the monitor.

For the harddrive I knew I was getting a 3TB Fusion instead of a SSD Drive.

Ok…no problem. Your earlier post (the way I was reading it)…almost sounded like you thought the 3TB Fusion drive was a 3TB SSD.;)

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I plan on traveling to Apple store this weekend to get some hands on time with this beast but the closet Apple store is an hour away one way :(

ONE HOUR…are you complaining??;) When I lived in the NYC area…I had a 1 hour commute each way to work!!;) That's two hours in the car each day just to get to/from work!:(

That one hour drive each way to the Apple Store is WELL WORTH the effort to feel better about an almost $3000 purchase!!! And if you haven't been to an Apple Store before…it's an adventure as well…that every Mac-User should experience at least once!:)

Another question last one regarding hardware, Will my existing sound system plug right into the iMac? I have a creative sound system with a sub woofer. Just wondering if anything special is needed there?

All you should have to do is…just plug the sound system audio cable into the iMac's audio port…and you should be good to go!:)

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I made the switch to Mac in Aug 2010. I had to replace a sluggish laptop (Dell) that was quite high-end when I got it but was only 4 yrs old.

On advice from friends, I got an iMac (21.5"). It's been great, and is still great. I upgraded Ram from 4GB to 12GB early last year for about $100. It needed a repair at that time, too, because I was unaware of a heating issue due to dust build up, which can be mitigated with regular (6 monthly, according to my Apple-authorised repairer) blasts with a can of air into the cooling vents and inlets to remove the dust.

When we needed another computer a couple of years back, we got a Mac Mini. This also worth considering for your needs. It's not an AIO, so you can upgrade your monitor when the next generation comes around. Or, with your budget, you can think about a Mac Pro, and utilise your existing monitor/kb/mouse. Personally, I'd go for the Mac Pro if I were in your position. I recently had to get a laptop, and got a MacBook Pro, but if I didn't have to take a computer with me, then I'd have bought the Mac Pro. Lots of options, lots of expansion opportunities, and perfect for video editing.
 
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I'm getting ready to pull the trigger on an iMac 27" also. I'll go with Retnia, 8GB ram, 512GB SSD, and the core i7 CPU. That'll put me around $3K but this iMac is going to last a long, long time. I'm also going to throw-in AppleCare because you never know what might happen.

I have been enjoying a MacBook Pro 15 for the last four years and it'll probably last another four easily!

I've been looking at Adoroma.com for some bundles which include AppleCare. You might also want to stop by Appleinsider and check out some of their price guides. They so side-by-side comparisons on several vendors. One thing you get from buying via the web, if your city/state qualifies, is NO TAXES on your $3K purchase. Almost saves the price of the AppleCare!
 
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Still researching but is the Ram an easy upgrade like a windows PC, just plug and play?
Because if it is I think I might go with the chip upgrade now and add Ram later.

If not then I was thinking the same thing Nick, going with the ram.

Another reason to go with the other upgrades and postpone a ram upgrade until you see whether you really need it is that ram upgrades tend to go down in price the longer the Mac model they support has been out. The 5K has just come out. The price for adding ram will go down as it has been out longer. In the meantime you will be able to enjoy your Mac and have time to see whether you really need more ram, a simple DIY installation.

Best wishes, Nate :D
 
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A few thoughts

I've been using Macs since the original 1984 128K Mac. I have *never* had a Mac desktop hardware failure. Not once. I've had lots of failures of external components: floppy drives, hard drives, mice, monitors, etc. I've had a few laptop failures. But I have never had any internal failure of any desktop Mac, and I've owned quite a few. I don't think you need Apple Care.

I tend to keep my Macs for at least four years before replacing them. I'm now using a 28" iMac with 8 GB RAM and a 3.2GHz processor. It is more than adequate for all my needs, and I use it for all the normal stuff plus programming and some simple graphics. My previous machine was purchased in 2008 and still works quite well; the only reason I replaced it was the need to move past OS 10.7.

You have a three-way choice between more RAM, a big Fusion drive, and a big monitor. First, always go for the biggest monitor you can get; you can never have enough screen space, and nobody ever died trekking from the upper right corner to the lower left corner of the screen.

You absolutely, positively want a Fusion drive; they vastly improve performance. However, you don't need to super-size it. My Fusion drive is 1 TB hard drive with 120GB of SSD, and it works perfectly. Remember, the only value of the SSD is for fast access to frequently-used stuff. You definitely don't want to be storing big files on it. It should hold the system files and the files used by your applications. The algorithms it uses for allocating SSD space are very smart.

The same thing goes with RAM. More is better, but there are definitely diminishing returns. The Mac OS is very efficient in its utilization of RAM; my 8GB are completely adequate to my needs. However, I'm pretty fastidious about closing apps that I'll not be using for a while.

The same thing goes with processor speed. Yes, faster is always better, but how often will you be tapping into all that speed? For example, suppose that you had a choice between two processors, with one being twice as fast as the other. How much benefit do you derive from the computer processing a keystroke in 200 nanoseconds instead of 400 nanoseconds? In many cases, a processor that is twice as fast simply spends twice as much time idling.

Of course, your needs are especially demanding: video editing is far and away the most resource-hungry application of any computer. This is especially tricky to judge because most video-editing applications are structured to deal with the limitations of storage and RAM. Without knowing the specifics, you're playing a guessing game. My advice is that you search out reviews of different combinations of hardware and software. Even that is problematic because most reviews are based on older hardware than you're considering. Your best option would be to try out a video editing benchmark test on the different machines at the Mac store.
 

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The retina 5K iMac uses the same memory as the 27" iMacs from 2012 and 2013. Memory is not likely to get any less expensive for quite some time and may in fact get more expensive.
 

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I've been using Macs since the original 1984 128K Mac. I have *never* had a Mac desktop hardware failure. Not once. I've had lots of failures of external components: floppy drives, hard drives, mice, monitors, etc. I've had a few laptop failures. But I have never had any internal failure of any desktop Mac, and I've owned quite a few. I don't think you need Apple Care.

Sounds like you've had a great track record with your Mac's over the years!:)

And of course on internet forums…we mainly get folks posting with problems…which probably represent less than 1% of all users/Mac's sold (99% trouble free).:) Plus…of these 1% folks with problems…we never really know how the computer was treated. Gentle treatment, rough treatment, etc.

Most of us know…if we treat our automobiles gently…they're going to last a lot longer than if we thrash them about…and don't give them some TLC now & then.:)

As far as Applecare…there's one thing for sure. Desktops should "see" a lot less abuse than laptops. Desktops should just "sit there" being used…and hardly ever moved. Laptops/notebooks on the other hand…of course are VERY mobile/portable…and get exposed to all sorts of things.

Technically speaking…Applecare ONLY covers manufacturing defects…and not accidents or abuse. But Apple having the GREAT customer service that they do…I think has a lot of "gray-area" built into Applecare repair decisions.:)

I think that if I was purchasing a $3000 computer setup…and only had to spend about $150 for 3 years of peace of mind (for the most part)…I think that I would go for the Extended Applecare.:)

Hey I know…from your experience purchasing Extended Applecare makes no or little sense. But consider that the computers Apple is selling today are not the same computer Apple sold 5, 10, 20, or 30 years ago. On a 2014 27" retina iMac…just replacing a failed hard drive is next to an impossible task. So if the hard drive on this computer were to fail…the cost of repair for that would more than cover the cost of the Extended Applecare!:) Let's not even talk about a logic board or display replacement.

And as someone else mentioned. This is the first model 27" 5k retina iMac. Just like a brand new 1st year model automobile…sometimes the initial model has some design defects that just didn't have enough "real world" testing prior to release. Heat (for example) is one of the biggest enemies of a computer. Apple has been packing things in so tightly in their computers (to minimize size & weight)…that any errors in the design of the cooling system could result in a major component failure. Thus having Applecare would be a great thing!:)

- Nick
 
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I won't disagree with you; different strokes for different folks. And yes, the way the computer is treated is crucial to its longevity. I first started with the first microcomputers, when you had to ground yourself before touching the machine, when you had to be careful not to place a floppy disk near a sharp metal object because of the magnetic field, when heating problems were common, etc, etc. I used a pencil eraser to clean board contacts regularly. I'm definitely obsessive about cleanliness, dust, and dirt. There are several voltage protection boxes between my power outlet and my computer; I have a UPS that I check often. I am careful not to cross-ground devices connected to my computer. I often shut down and disconnect the machine in the rare cases where thunderstorms threaten.

Who? Me? Paranoid? Naahh...
 

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I'm definitely obsessive about cleanliness, dust, and dirt. There are several voltage protection boxes between my power outlet and my computer; I have a UPS that I check often. I am careful not to cross-ground devices connected to my computer. I often shut down and disconnect the machine in the rare cases where thunderstorms threaten.

Who? Me? Paranoid? Naahh...

Ha ha. You are obviously not the average computer owner…and I think that you know that!;)

So objectively…if you forget for the moment about your SUPER SUPER diligent way of taking care of your computers. And consider:

- What the average computer owner does (not saying the average person is abusive in any way).
- The complexity of current Apple models (especially this being the first model 27" 5k iMac).
- The fact that the 2014 27" 5k iMac has a new display, faster CPU (more heat), and a new GPU (possibly more heat & untested track record in a Mac).
- The $3000 price tag.

Would you still not recommend Extended Applecare?

Just a hypothetical question or "food for thought" if you would rather not reply.:)

- Nick
 
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You might think of Best Buy's Geek Squad extended warranty. It is actually a bit better than iCare except for the phone part. With BB if theMac goes down it is replaced by the current model if yours is no longer available.
 
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