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Message: <blockquote data-quote="chas_m" data-source="post: 1024003">I can't speak for the Apple person, but the water damage and the plug working loose *could* be two distinct problems.Its pretty unlikely the water damage indicator would turn red from natural condensation unless you are dumb enough to keep the iPod in the bathroom with you while you take a hot steamy shower (don't laugh, I've had customers do this!).The problem here is that once the water indicator is active, that's game over. You damaged your iPod, and any OTHER problem that *could* have been a manufacturing defect is moot because the warranty is void.By all means you should get a "second opinion" from another Apple tech, but don't hope for much.</blockquote>