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I can't agree with this because, as previously stated, words mean things. Viruses destroy or damage things, other types of malware do not. I'm not "hung up on semantics," I just know when to use a specific word -- and why. As a writer and editor, that's my job.




This is why we often say "A virus is not just something you don't understand." I go it's the people tend to use words like "virus" interchangeably, but that doesn't make it any less wrong. If I call your car a bike, I'm incorrect -- despite the fact that both are vehicles of transportation with wheels. in a text based medium like this one, accuracy is not just nice: it's absolutely vital to understanding the problem, and providing the best solution.

I am not being nitpicky when I correct people about the term "virus." I am educating them on refining their terminology so they will be able to clearly communicate in the future. I do exactly the same thing when somebody says "memory" when they actually mean "storage." My aim is to reduce confusion and expedite accurate solutions.

That's great when you're writing on a technical subject or a textbook. I absolutely agree.

But when a layperson comes here asking for advice on anti-virus, as the OP did, saying something like "There are no viruses for Macs", while factually correct, is not helpful. In fact, it's disingenuous to some extent when you know damned well that there are plenty of maladies in the broader category of malware that an anti-virus product can help protect against or remove.


Yes, any sort of undesired behavior is frustrating to the user. But using the term virus to describe any sort of catchall problem is like going to the grocery store and asking where the food is. All you will get is a blank stare. It is 100% true that a grocery store has food, and it is 100% accurate that the specific thing you want to buy is food: but to get to the real answer, you have to form your question with more focus.

I can't be the only one to find this incredibly frustrating. Maybe it's because in my line of work, I encounter a lot of severely compromised machines (Macs included) that have been used as tools to do incredibly malicious things. Whether they steal people's identities, credit card numbers or perpetuating some other kind of fraud, this type of thing is absolutely destructive - as much, if not more than deleting some files on the users hard drive or corrupting the OS.

In fact, the entire "industry" of black hats who do this thing have made a concerted move toward this methodology because 1) it's easy to do (trick a user) and 2) it's highly profitable. You simply don't see viruses as often because social engineering is so much easier to use as an attack vector and you do more damage, much more quickly.

Who's writing viruses anymore? Governments engaged in cyber warfare, that's who. And they could care less about compromising the ordinary Joe's PC.
 

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But again, nothing truly malicious like one finds in the Windows world.
You're going to have to define malicious to keep this floating as a credible statement. I would argue that there most certainly is malicious software for OS X. If it wasn't an issue, Apple wouldn't have built in malware detection in the form of XProtect.
No bots, no key loggers, no disk wipers, no ransomeware.
This is patently false. This was the first result for "OS X keylogger" and this the first result for "OS X ransomware"

Yes, I know about the Java insecurities and the Flash insecurities, but those are not OS X, they are third party problems.
They are third party software libraries/runtimes whose security issues manifest themselves on Macs. Therefore, they are absolutely issues relevant to Mac users. By your logic, you could argue that no malware exists for Windows because it's not an issue of Windows, it's an issue of users and other software that acts as a vector.

And if you turned off the protection because you didn't like the prompts from OS X about installing things, then you get what you deserve for leaving the door unlocked. It's not breaking and entering if I don't have to break to enter.
It doesn't matter whether or not people disable the defences Apple sets up; this doesn't discredit the idea that malware exists. By definition, a flaw exists regardless of whether or not defences are available. If you take care of your car and maintain the engine only to find it break down at some point, it still had a flaw.

I can't agree with this because, as previously stated, words mean things. Viruses destroy or damage things, other types of malware do not. I'm not "hung up on semantics," I just know when to use a specific word -- and why. As a writer and editor, that's my job.
Malware, by definition, is destructive (hence the prefix mal-). cwa107 knows how to use the word properly here and is absolutely correct in stating that not only is malware destructive but an umbrella term that includes computer viruses. So, yes, words mean things and in this case, they mean the right thing (as used).

in a text based medium like this one, accuracy is not just nice: it's absolutely vital to understanding the problem, and providing the best solution.
cwa107, again, is correct semantically in noting that not only are viruses a form of malware but he is also right in noting that OS X is susceptible to malware. So, understanding that malware is relevant to Mac users as a category of malicious software absolutely is vital to recognizing that OS X is not the impregnable fortress that it sometimes gets represented as. Only in recognizing this can we provide a better solution to issues rooted in potential malware based exploits.

I am educating them on refining their terminology so they will be able to clearly communicate in the future. [...] My aim is to reduce confusion and expedite accurate solutions.
If you do live by this mantra, then you're willing to admit that not only is cwa107 correct semantically but also correct in pointing out that malware is an issue worth discussing with users?

But using the term virus to describe any sort of catchall problem is like going to the grocery store and asking where the food is.
I'm not sure who you're arguing against here as cwa107 has made it very clear that he's talking about malware as a broad category of malicious software, some of which is very relevant to Mac users.
 
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This is patently false. This was the first result for "OS X keylogger" and this the first result for "OS X ransomware"
Did you bother to read those links? One is a kext, and Apple no longer allows unsigned kext files, so if one is on Yosemite, that hole is plugged. And if you are stupid enough to turn off that security through terminal commands, then anything that happens is YOUR fault.

The other is fixed by "reset Safari," which means that it is NOT true ransomware, but just an internet trick. True ransomeware locks down your files, or encrypts them and denies you access until you pay. Just hijacking a browser is not truly malicious, just annoying.

As for Java and Flash, if you allow them to install (and you DO have to allow it) then you are stepping up to the risk they pose. That's not Apple's responsibility, it is YOURS. YOU entered your password, YOU gave the applications access to your system. Truly malicious software installs without user permission. As I said, if you allow Genieo to install, that's your stupid decision. Also as I said, you cannot protect against stupidity.

I'm not going to bother responding to this conversation any more. We agree to disagree.
 

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Did you bother to read those links? One is a kext, and Apple no longer allows unsigned kext files, so if one is on Yosemite, that hole is plugged.
That doesn't make it any more secure. Just because Apple had an issue doesn't preclude it from being subject to malware now. That would be like suggesting that, once a country is invaded and plugged the hole that an enemy used to get in, it won't be subject to invasion again (this would be the example I'm thinking of here).

And if you are stupid enough to turn off that security through terminal commands, then anything that happens is YOUR fault.
You could say the same thing about any OS. I don't think it's fair to say that any successful malware is user error on OS X and not the case with Windows.

As for Java and Flash, if you allow them to install (and you DO have to allow it) then you are stepping up to the risk they pose. That's not Apple's responsibility, it is YOURS.
The same could be said for Windows or any piece of software. In fact, since most malware requires user interaction, you could make the argument that the malware count for Windows is a fraction of what the number actually is.

Truly malicious software installs without user permission.
Not really. The installation of a piece of software is independent from its purpose and execution. In other words, how a piece of software installs itself doesn't make it more or less malicious. What matters is consequence, not installation.
 

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Gonna throw my 2 cents in here.;)

What I've learned over the years is. Mac's have traditionally not had much trouble with this sort of stuff. Will Mac's be invulnerable or impervious to this kind of stuff forever...of course not. "Bad Guy's" just need to figure out a way.

My advice. If it makes someone feel better to run an AV program...then run a good one like the free ClamXAV. But don't run it 24-7. Just run a scan every now & then. At other times...try to practice "safe-computing" to avoid "bad things".:)

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Gonna throw my 2 cents in here.;)

What I've learned over the years is. Mac's have traditionally not had much trouble with this sort of stuff. Will Mac's be invulnerable or impervious to this kind of stuff forever...of course not. "Bad Guy's" just need to figure out a way.

My advice. If it makes someone feel better to run an AV program...then run a good one like the free ClamXAV. But don't run it 24-7. Just run a scan every now & then. At other times...try to practice "safe-computing" to avoid "bad things".:)

- Nick

Well said. But beyond that, it doesn't hurt to remind someone looking for anti-virus that Apple already has XProtect baked right in. So, assuming you practice safe habits, you probably don't actually need another layer of anti-virus.

My point of contention is and will continue to be people who like to seagull dive these threads with the infamously bad advice "Anti-virus is useless because there are no viruses on Macs".
 

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Well said. But beyond that, it doesn't hurt to remind someone looking for anti-virus that Apple already has XProtect baked right in. So, assuming you practice safe habits, you probably don't actually need another layer of anti-virus.

My point of contention is and will continue to be people who like to seagull dive these threads with the infamously bad advice "Anti-virus is useless because there are no viruses on Macs".

I hear ya!:)

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I didn't notice if it was mentioned here about ClamXAV that was mentioned, but if one is going to download and use it, get the version from the developer as to one available in the App Store doesn't include the "Watch Folder" options:
ClamXav
 

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I didn't notice if it was mentioned here about ClamXAV that was mentioned, but if one is going to download and use it, get the version from the developer as to one available in the App Store doesn't include the "Watch Folder" options:
ClamXav
That's not the only app that has different functionality available based on where you get it from either. 1Password, for example, doesn't have iCloud syncing in the non-MAS version.
 
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For the past 30+ years I have used whatever I could find identified "as the best available" AVMW protection.After trying a few, including McAfee, I settled on Norton AV and its successors for both Windows and Mac OS (but not Sun Unix). Except for Norton/Symantec protection, I have always had occasional difficulties with malware but none with NAV etc.

I currently have a MP and two MBPs. All three have Parallels/Windows working within OS X. All three have both Norton Security for Mac installed on the OS X side and Norton Internet Security installed in the Virtual Windows machines.

I figure that I never-say-never relative to OS X and any kind of malware and that NS is cheap protection for various things, even so simple as tracking cookies. And, I figure that since I choose to use Parallels and virtual Windows rather than a separate disk partition, that using NIS for Windows hopefully will keep anything from spilling across from the virtual machine.

I guess what I am saying is that I figure it is better to have protection if I don't need it rather than no protection if I need it. I just hope I'm not first in line for a truly vicious attack that Norton hasn't encountered and figured a fix for. And, oh yes, keep everything up-to-date as possible with auto updating.
 
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Hi, welcome to the jungle.

I use AV. I've gotten enough red screens to continue using it, architecture or not.
I use Avast. It's free.
 
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I cut out the middle man and write my own virus and then destroy my own hard drive.
Saves time that way awaiting for someone else to do it.
(Evil Grin)
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You get what you pay for

The title suggests my feeling about Avast. It MAY be good but I know NS and NIS are good products so, as I said, good insurance.

I kinda like the idea of cutting out the middle man. Could start a whole new trend.
 
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In summer I tend not to wear a coat , scarf and gloves because winter is a long way off. For the same reason my iMac is anti-virus free as I don't want to be encumbered by unnecessary add-ons. When (if) I need such then I'll use them. Until then, if I feel a need to use an anti-virus product I'll buy a Windows pc.
 
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All this talk about 'Flash'. Is this the Adobe Flash Player?
If it is, do I just remove the applications by sending them to Trash?
Is there some way to tell if some malware got into my Mac?
What other media player should I be using?
The newest Adobe Flash Player has supposedly fixed many of the known malware, so is the newest version safe or is it just a matter of time to the next problem?
 
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You can just disable Flash in System Preferences. No need to fully remove it.
If malware gets in, you'll see something, generally. Ads, Popups, hijacked browser, etc.
Flash is ok as a player, but I use MplayerX for media, Flash is generally embedded in the browser for online videos. For those I block all of them and only let Flash play the ones I specifically want to see, like news clip videos, for example.
It's just a matter of time, but that's true for ALL software. We're living on borrowed time...
 
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The title suggests my feeling about Avast. It MAY be good but I know NS and NIS are good products so, as I said, good insurance.

I kinda like the idea of cutting out the middle man. Could start a whole new trend.


I was reading some stuff about Avast at some what I'd call legitimate/knowledgeable sites a few days ago, and it seems that it's now a bit dubious about how some of it works and it may not be quite as innocent as it's made out to be, with some included snooping going on in the background.

Up to the user to check I'd suggest. :D
 

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Bottom line here is; you don't need an antivirus program because there are no virus' for the Mac OS platform. The manufacturers of AV programs have a vested interest in making you think otherwise.
Malware and AdWare are prevalent and can be taken care of by mostly free apps designed for the purpose.
There are some Extensions and Applications that can cause damage, learn which ones are a problem to you and remove them using prescribed methods easily found online.
Do not install anything that has the power to change your settings, preferences or file structure without thoroughly researching it on line first.
And lastly have a full backup (preferably bootable) of your hard drive before installing or removing any third party apps.
Thats it!
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In summer I tend not to wear a coat , scarf and gloves because winter is a long way off. For the same reason my iMac is anti-virus free as I don't want to be encumbered by unnecessary add-ons. When (if) I need such then I'll use them. Until then, if I feel a need to use an anti-virus product I'll buy a Windows pc.

When you need them it may be too late. Your computer could be compromised, your banking and credit card info stolen, your photos gone and all your files destroyed and, perhaps, your hard drives damaged beyond repair.
 

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When you need them it may be too late. Your computer could be compromised, your banking and credit card info stolen, your photos gone and all your files destroyed and, perhaps, your hard drives damaged beyond repair.

You're certainly "painting" a worst case scenario!:(

- How many times have you (or any of us) flown on a commercial airline without a parachute??
- How many risks do all of us take everyday driving our cars??
- What about over-eating (obesity)...and heart attacks/strokes??
- What about smoking cigarette's/cigar's (lung cancer)??

Seriously...think about it...it's all about risk. At the present time there is not a serious virus risk on Macintosh computers...and there hasn't been for the approx. 15 years Mac OS X has been around.

The problem with many AV apps. is...they can hog up some system resources...and some folks have noticed performance slowdowns. This is why I recommend (in the current virus risk environment for Mac's). If someone feels the need to run an AV app...run a scan every now & then (determined by the user). But don't run the AV app 24-7...to avoid any computer performance/slowdown issues.:)

If the virus risk environment for Mac's changes in the future...then we can "revisit" this...and reassess.:)

- Nick
 
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