Gather 'round folks!

[baggss]

The golden rule still stands. If you don't like it, then don't do it to others.

What if I do like it? Is it ok then?

 

[Carol247]

LOL...Baggss, I'm not surprised at your answer, very sharp!

My answer would be "no" because everyone is different. I think we all know what might be offensive to some people. On the other hand, maybe some folks are just too sensitive and we can't do anything about them. Guess they'll just have hurt feeling most of the time and that's their problem.

Good comment though...I loved it! ;D

 

[baggss]

LOL...Baggss, I'm not surprised at your answer, very sharp!

My answer would be "no" because everyone is different. I think we all know what might be offensive to some people. On the other hand, maybe some folks are just too sensitive and we can't do anything about them. Guess they'll just have hurt feeling most of the time and that's their problem.

Good comment though...I loved it! ;D

So where is the dividing line? We have established that the "do unto others" idea doesn't work because some people may be offended easily while folks like me can go much further and never get offended. I agree some people are too sensitive. While I agree with "that's their problem" it not a good answer either.

Please don't view this as an attack on you, because it is not intended to be. I view this a larger societal issue that happens to have manifested itself here. In society I would label it Political Correctness, but I'm not sure what I would call it here.

Then again, maybe I am completely wrong and I am misreading or misinterpreting what other members are saying.

 

[Ryan13]

Neg rep someone if they are out of line and don't if they're not, its that simple in my mind.

 

[MacHeadCase]

This has nothing to do with political correctness at all which is basically technocrat speak that cares only for ratings, votes, readership level health, etc. where there is gain to be won. I am talking about caring for others. Not the same and quite frankly I'm not sure I can explain this if you don't have any interest whatsoever to put yourself in someone else's shoes.

I think what is asked here is the ability of members to use empathy in dealing with others instead of thinking I'm allowed to do whatever I want to do and you deal with it, it's your problem, you're the defective person here, I'm not.

That kind of thinking would be great if we each had our own little private island and didn't have to acknowledge the presence of others but that's not the case! Not everything in life is a barroom brawl and each point hasn't to be fought and won. We're supposed to be a superior species to other animals so we shouldn't have to use jungle tactics to interact and yet we do. So me thinks we're not all that superior after all. At least animals have to feed themselves: we fight for what? Territory, greed, pride, 'cause we just don't care what the person next to us feels or that maybe they're not allowed to be fragile - if they are, they have no right to be in the same forum as we are?

 

[Kash]

I think what is asked here is the ability of members to use empathy in dealing with others instead of thinking I'm allowed to do whatever I want to do and you deal with it, it's your problem, you're the defective person here, I'm not.

Careful! You just went and insulted all the Republicans!

 

[iKitten]

the ability of members to use empathy in dealing with others

THAT'S what makes this place special!!!

 

[baggss]

This has nothing to do with political correctness at all which is basically technocrat speak that cares only for ratings, votes, readership level health, etc. where there is gain to be won. I am talking about caring for others. Not the same and quite frankly I'm not sure I can explain this if you don't have any interest whatsoever to put yourself in someone else's shoes.

I think what is asked here is the ability of members to use empathy in dealing with others instead of thinking I'm allowed to do whatever I want to do and you deal with it, it's your problem, you're the defective person here, I'm not.

That kind of thinking would be great if we each had our own little private island and didn't have to acknowledge the presence of others but that's not the case! Not everything in life is a barroom brawl and each point hasn't to be fought and won. We're supposed to be a superior species to other animals so we shouldn't have to use jungle tactics to interact and yet we do. So me thinks we're not all that superior after all. At least animals have to feed themselves: we fight for what? Territory, greed, pride, 'cause we just don't care what the person next to us feels or that maybe they're not allowed to be fragile - if they are, they have no right to be in the same forum as we are?

I understand your point, you don't have to define "empathy" to me, I'm not some uneducated hick you need to talk down to or who requires you to define the big words.

I'll end my participation in this thread before it goes someplace it doesn't need to. I would suggest however that you might choose to follow some of your own advice. I seem to have deeply offended you and despite my public and private apologies, you don't appear to be willing to be to let it go.

 

[MacHeadCase]

Quite on the contrary. I try to explain to you what it is and that it's not political correctness which I see as only a means to gain some type of capital. Am I really the one not letting go here? Not sure...

I've received positive rep for that post of mine you quote and you are the only one taking offence to it.

Too bad I can't give you your rep back. Seems I have given enough for 24 hours, the system says.

 

[MaDDoG]

We are all individuals here, from different backgrounds, families, beliefs, nationalities, even parts of the world. The fact that we are individuals makes us special. We are all at sometime say and do things that get on anothers nerves and upsets their sensibilities. Just try to be more understanding of other thoughts and views as they need to be of yours. It is easy to apologise if you upset someone the had bit is in the meaning what you are saying. If you cannot appologise then say nothing rather than sounding rude by remarking like "stop being so sensitive, just learn to get over it" or something like that. I'm sure I offend people all the time, I don't intend to, it just comes out that way.
I aggree that life is tough and things are not always fair. Yes sometimes we need to just shrug things off and move forward, but do we need to appear uncaring? It is not weak to feel and to care. Its funny, but in my last occupation, I found that often the ones that make the most noise andprotest the most were often the ones that had the most feeling and caring but were just trying to mask it by all the huffing and puffing afraid they may get hurt or affected in some way.

Gee I talk a lot......lolol So everyone , group hugs all round.

 

[schweb]

MHC,
Thank you for your great explanation for how we should approach interactions with everyone on Mac-Forums. You've just about summed up the way that I (and I'm sure I speak for the rest of the mods) try to enforce the rules of decorum here.

Everyone comes from a difference place and only by understanding that and understanding that sometimes the way we may say things can hurt others. Mutual respect is of absolute importance to us here.

Whether you're a brand new member or have been here for a long time, the expectation is that you will always interact respectfully and cognizant of how others might react to your comments.

Luckily I think we have a great group of members that get that philosophy and that's why this environment is so unique. Unfortunately, every so often we have people that join or even long-time members who just don't fit in and we need to deal with it.

MHC, as I've said before to you both publicly and privately, you are an outstanding member here and we're lucky to have you as part of this community, thank you for taking the time to create this thread.

 

[schweb]

I understand your point, you don't have to define "empathy" to me, I'm not some uneducated hick you need to talk down to or who requires you to define the big words.

I'll end my participation in this thread before it goes someplace it doesn't need to. I would suggest however that you might choose to follow some of your own advice. I seem to have deeply offended you and despite my public and private apologies, you don't appear to be willing to be to let it go.

Baggss, this reply was completely out of line. I saw nothing inappropriate in the way MHC was trying to describe what she meant, actually I found it a smart thing to do.

In this thread you've tried to twist the words of others and drive division to start arguments. You basically backed everyone into a corner so they had to be extra careful to define what they were saying.

So if you didn't appreciate the way she replied, you only have yourself to blame.

 

[MacHeadCase]

Thanks schweb, I immensely appreciate your input here. I can't even to begin to tell you how much.

 

[Carol247]

This may not be the time to bring out the spiritual side, but it seems so appropriate, so here goes: :Blushing:

"A soft answer turns away wrath; but grievous words stir up anger." Proverbs 15:1

Who needs anger? The world is full of it and this forum should stay a nice repreive from that, a place to relax, have fun and get good mac info.

 

[MaDDoG]

Nice job MHC. (Sending virtual pat on the back)
Thanks Schweb....there are people leaving MF's because certain people go on the attack all the time, and many others talking about leaving if this does not settle down.

 

[schweb]

Nice job MHC. (Sending virtual pat on the back)
Thanks Schweb....there are people leaving MF's because certain people go on the attack all the time, and many others talking about leaving if this does not settle down.

You're welcome. Hopefully those who feel the need to leave because of an unfriendly environment have mentioned the problem to a mod.

It's quite unfair to get up an leave a community because of a problem without reporting it.