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Don't wish to start an argument but in #18 Charlie says:
However, as most folks who are currently on Medicare will tell you, it's not adequate and does not cover all medical bills.
 
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Sorry if this has already been posted, but I thought that it may lift the spirits of some a little in these horrible times. A smile carries a lot of weight for ones mood.

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Lots of urban myths in there, Sue. My SIL's brother is an ER doctor. He has been in that practice for over twenty years. Never turned away a patient because they could not pay. Hospitals will treat anyone who shows up, insurance, cash, or not. And in every one of the fifty states there is a program called Medicaid that covers people who are uninsured. Not a Federal program, but run by the individual state, with Federal contributions to the funding, that pays the doctors/hospitals for treating uninsured. The US is significantly larger than the UK and the government setup is different, so there is no American equivalent to the NHS, but there is the Federal Medicare program for seniors and disabled folks and Medicaid for the poor. Plus, if a person has served in the military, there is the Veterans' Administration hospital network that accepts all veterans, free. Nobody in the US goes without treatment if they want it. Not even those illegally here. Show up, get treated. That is how it works.

If Walt wanted treatment, it would have been available, but then no story, right?

You cannot be denied emergency care by law, regardless of your ability to pay. Your SIL's brother couldn't turn a patient away even if he wanted to. If it's not an emergency, you can and will be denied if the bill can't be paid. (EDIT: I should also point out that even with emergencies, even if you can't pay upfront, the hospital WILL still be looking to get paid and you WILL get a bill, regardless of your ability to pay it, and you WILL be sent to collections unless you can work something out or get charity care). I can tell you for an absolute fact that elective procedures like colonoscopies, biopsies, ureteroscopy (to remove a renal stone), and the like will not get done in many places if you can't pay the copay up front or cover at least a percentage of the total expected bill up front if you don't have insurance. Barring that, you have to go through the process for charity care but if you don't qualify, it ain't getting done. There may be exceptions in some places and even state by state, but THAT is the reality of our healthcare system. You would be utterly gobsmacked if you truly knew how many people have insurance but have so many exceptions to what they will cover; how steep some of the copays and out-of-pocket expenses are; and otherwise simply don't qualify for charity or Medicare/Medicaid.
 
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Thanks John, funniest 4 min I've had today.
 
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Thank you Rod, if it made you smile/giggle/laugh then it's made my day too mate ;D;D
 

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John, your reply made me smile too, thanks.:smile
 
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Don't wish to start an argument but in #18 Charlie says:
However, as most folks who are currently on Medicare will tell you, it's not adequate and does not cover all medical bills.

Is stating your experience with Medicare would be considered argument? I hope not...

My better half has a patient advocacy business and both of us had free market purchased commercial health insurance. As soon as I had been eligible for Medicare, we switched my health insurance to Medicare. It's been a year that I have it and frankly, from doctors and treatments perspective, I don't see a difference. I still see the same doctors, preventive services, or ER. From monthly premium costs perspective, Medicare costs about half of the commercial insurance. If I'd factor in the deductible and copays, Medicare costs a third of the commercial insurance. Again, my providers did not change at all...

Maybe I am not part of the "most folks", but for me, switching to Medicare made a difference only in monthly policy premium costs.
 
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I am glad to see that you guys doing as well as can be, during this cocoon living style....

My hometown is getting hammered by the infection, due to the proximity to NYC, commuters and New Yorkers moving in . The impact of of that started to show, about 1% of the town population or 1,200 are infected with COVID. My daughter is a paramedic and she says, that this number is low, compared to what she sees. In normal times, in a week or two the paramedics may see one or two dead. Nowadays, that's the daily norm.

We are still a ok, I am just worry about her... a lot...
 

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As soon as I had been eligible for Medicare, we switched my health insurance to Medicare. It's been a year that I have it and frankly, from doctors and treatments perspective, I don't see a difference. I still see the same doctors, preventive services, or ER. From monthly premium costs perspective, Medicare costs about half of the commercial insurance. If I'd factor in the deductible and copays, Medicare costs a third of the commercial insurance. Again, my providers did not change at all...

I think there has been some confusion over what I stated about Medicare. What you said above is true, however, an in hospital stay can be costly. Medicare only pays for 80% of your hospital bills and with today's hospital costs, that can amount to a substantial out of pocket sum. We also have to remember that there are co-pays involved with Medicare out of hospital coverage.

I have secondary health insurance which picks up where Medicare stops. I also have free prescriptions.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not an advocate of Socialized Medicine. We have a population of over 330 million which is much larger than countries like the UK and Canada. Medicare for all would likely bankrupt our national treasury which is already skating on very thin ice. ;)
 

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Although I read this thread I have resisted the impulse to contribute because apart from the very rigidly enforced social isolation and the fact that the country is going further into the red financially than it ever has before things in regard to the virus are better than most.
Australia's population is only 25.5 million, we only have 6,103 confirmed cases of COVID-19 nationally with 90 new cases since yesterday. So far we have only had a total of 51 deaths. Our "curve" appears to be flattening and so far our hospitals are coping with acute and ICU cases. The police are enforcing "stay at home rules" especially over this Easter Weekend with caravan (trailer) parks and camping grounds all closed. On the spot fines are being issued to people who do not have an approved reason for being out eg attending a medical centre or appointment, buying food, travelling to an from work, providing care or support to another person or transporting your children to and from childcare or in some limited cases to school.
We do not encourage the use of masks in public as it provides a false sense of security and can be a source of transmission itself, except when dealing with people known or suspected to be infected or if you suspect you are infected yourself. Consequently they are pretty much confined to emergency services.
Charity services are flat out providing food, shelter, and support to the needy while Social Security Services are providing wage compensation to people and businesses who have lost their income due to the virus.
For those who do not have private medical insurance Medicare covers all public hospital care free, like the NHS in the UK, with the exception of some pathology and diagnostic services.
Food is still readily available from supermarket chains either by home delivery or personal shopping as are essential services but everything else is closed. So even if I did go out there is nowhere to go.
As a nation we acted quickly with the advantage of seeing what had already happened and was modelled to happen in other countries and imposed border closures, lockdowns, enforced isolation and screenings early. Even our state borders are closed now except for commercial trucking and essential services.
The whole purpose of the strategy is to keep numbers low enough for our medical system to cope. That seems to be working. The problem with this is that it prolongs the situation. The big question will be how long are we willing to keep our economy shut down and how many deaths are we willing to accept to open it up again. Death versus debt.
It takes two weeks to see the results of any change we might make so until a vaccine is available the strong argument is for continuation of the current public isolation with some staged relaxation of regulations followed by 14 days of observation, then reversal if necessary.
Personally I don't think the current situation will change any time soon, my guess is barring a breakthrough on the vaccine front we'll still be in the same or a very similar situation come Christmas.
I sincerely hope everyone stays well and gets through this. In the meantime stay in touch with friends and family, do what you can to help, even if it means staying home a lot and hope that our computers dont break till Apple reopens its doors.
 
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The whole purpose of the strategy is to keep numbers low enough for our medical system to cope. That seems to be working. The problem with this is that it prolongs the situation. The big question will be how long are we willing to keep our economy shut down and how many deaths are we willing to accept to open it up again. Death versus debt.

You guys are doing a great job of holding it down, but look at the extreme end. Everyone knows about Italy and New York to at least some extent. What may not be well known is that the healthcare system is so overwhelmed that if EMS is called for a cardiac arrest, they are not to resuscitate nor transport to the hospital. They are to be declared deceased unless their heart restarts spontaneously. They just can't handle the capacity, nor the risk to the workforce. The risk is something that can't be stressed hard enough... healthcare workers are no less susceptible and this is taking its toll mentally, physically, and literally reducing their numbers as some get sick and die from it. And it's not just healthcare worker.s.. it's also first responders; police; so much more. I was reading about the challenges a nuclear power plant was facing in refueling their reactors. And don't forget about the aircraft carrier with the virus spreading through the crew. Man, this is bad! Lifting restrictions to "save the economy" will literally destroy our healthcare system. Our police force. National security. Food production. And so much more. Ours. Yours. Everyone's.

It takes two weeks to see the results of any change we might make so until a vaccine is available the strong argument is for continuation of the current public isolation with some staged relaxation of regulations followed by 14 days of observation, then reversal if necessary.
Personally I don't think the current situation will change any time soon, my guess is barring a breakthrough on the vaccine front we'll still be in the same or a very similar situation come Christmas.

My wife is directly and indirectly involved in at least 10 clinical trials involving vaccines and other treatments. That's just her one team at her one company. It's a literal feeding frenzy. But she has extensive insight on the process and barring anything truly revolutionary, she says the earliest anything can be hoped for is 12-18 months, and that's already due to bypassing the normal early stages of lab and animal testing.
 
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I think there has been some confusion over what I stated about Medicare. What you said above is true, however, an in hospital stay can be costly. Medicare only pays for 80% of your hospital bills and with today's hospital costs, that can amount to a substantial out of pocket sum. We also have to remember that there are co-pays involved with Medicare out of hospital coverage.

I have secondary health insurance which picks up where Medicare stops. I also have free prescriptions.

Medicare rules and regulations are confusing in themselves that contributes to misunderstanding just how Medicare works. Having my better half working with these rules and regulations certainly helps me understanding Medicare.

True, Medicare Part B, outpatient services, only pays for 80% of the “allowed amount” of service charges. It does not matter how much the service charges, Medicare has a set of allowed amount for every services provided. For example, if the service charge is $200 and the allowed amount is $100, then Medicare pays $80. Most people with Medicare Part B also have Medigap insurance from a commercial insurance company that pays the 20%. The deductible and copays are, well, deducted from the Medicare payment and become patient liability. The Part B deductible in 2020 is $144.60, while most service visit has $20 copay. One of the exception is ER, where copay is $50.

Medicare Part A, inpatient services, covers hospital services and works differently from Part B. While working in the US, you pay for the premium in the form of Medicare tax deduction. Using this service has a $1,500 deductible and no additional copay. Most commercial Medigap policies pay for this deductible. If it does, inpatient services cost nothing for people who has Part A.

I have Medicare Part A, Part B and Part D. The latter one is for prescription drugs, also from a commercial insurance company.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not an advocate of Socialized Medicine. We have a population of over 330 million which is much larger than countries like the UK and Canada. Medicare for all would likely bankrupt our national treasury which is already skating on very thin ice. ;)

Yes, the population in the US is close to five times of the UK. On the other hand, the 2019 US GDP was seven times of the UK GDP, or $21.2T vs. $2.9T.

In my view, healthcare is, or should be part of the human rights like in most countries around world. Most of these are not socialist countries and they call their single payer system national healthcare and other names. It's not a question of money, it is a question of policy.
 
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First responders and healthcare workers are on the front line in fighting the Corona virus. It's not a stretch to call fighting the Corona virus a combat zone. If that's the case, why are they not receiving some form of hazard pay?

The IRS has provision for military combat zone pay. Basically, military personnel serving in the combat zone pay no taxes for the period served in the combat zone. In addition, military personnel suffered injuries in the combat zone pay no taxes, until fully recovered.

Tax Exclusion for Combat Service | Internal Revenue Service

The first responders and healthcare worker literary put their life on the line every day; shouldn't they also be exempted to pay taxes during the pandemic? That would be real appreciation, instead of politicians praising them and running commercials in the media.
 
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Yes, the population in the US is close to five times of the UK. On the other hand, the 2019 US GDP was seven times of the UK GDP, or $21.2T vs. $2.9T.

In my view, healthcare is, or should be part of the human rights like in most countries around world. Most of these are not socialist countries and they call their single payer system national healthcare and other names. It's not a question of money, it is a question of policy.

This is one of the things I'm on the fence on. While I agree with this in principle, I also believe the federal government is incapable of running the healthcare system responsibly. But something is going to have to give, and this current crisis is going to be the breaking point. Rural hospitals in particular have been slowly closing over the past decade because they can't afford to stay open, and this will push many of the remaining ones over the edge. When this is all over, I guarantee you the healthcare system and climate will be irrevocably changed and the people of this country need to come to terms with the fact that we need to do what it takes to make sure it is sustainable for the future.
 
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You could always try a NHS, but not ours please, it works.:a
 

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I also believe the federal government is incapable of running the healthcare system responsibly.

A gross understatement. The VA is a good example of how our government would run healthcare for all. :sd
 
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Yes, it works and if you have an emergency you don't have to worry about going bust. Even for you visiting us, if you have a reason to go to E&A you will be seen and odn't have to worry about your bank balance.

Yes there are problems, but it still works and my pockets are safe.
 
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Or the Bureau of Indian Affairs (BIA) medical system.

The bottom line is that anything that is "free" gets swamped. Then rationed.
 
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Don't worry about a reply as I am signing off of this thread.

This thread seems to have become a back biting session and I want nowt of it. I prefer the friendly forum I have been a member of for quite a while now.
 

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