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[Rod]

I agree that trusting that drive again may be a mistake but sometimes a user might just want to ressurect the drive long enough to finish a task/project or back it up with the most recent changes. Particularly with portable devices, the backup drive may not be constantly connected. Still $125.00, is that US $ ?


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[Randy B. Singer]

Still $125.00, is that US $ ?

Yes. Sorry, it's only $120. And it's a ridiculous amount for a software utility.

 

[pm-r]

That was impressive, but I haven't seen a post like that on a Mac discussion list in years now.
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On top of that, Disk Warrior is now $125. For $125 these days, instead of purchasing Disk Warrior, assuming that you have a back up of your data (and you should) you can instead just purchase a nice replacement hard drive,

+1.
Yes, times and things have changed a fair bit and I was just about to post the same thing of purchasing a replacement drive instead, as I read your post, and one could easily save some money with the low cost of most HHDs these days.

But I must admit, for those who still have a copy of DiskWarrior, it's psychologically very refreshing and pleasing to see a DW graphic representing one's rebuilt directory in a pristine state!!!

PS: No, I have no idea if it makes a computer run better or faster or not with a fairly clean rebuilt OS X Directory.


- Patrick
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[pm-r]

Yes. Sorry, it's only $120. And it's a ridiculous amount for a software utility.

So cheap for you folks — yes, being sarcastic... Try being in Canada where the cost climbs a fair bit to"
DiskWarrior $161.37cdn
DiskWarrior Upgrade $80.65cdn

And man, I can't recall the number of times I have had to purchase the upgrade over the years, I think the office gal and I were almost on a first name basis.

That's a **** of an investment in just one utility!!! But it was good for what it was able to do, and usually did it well. But then, that was back then and as mentioned, OS X things were different.

PS: I wonder if ALSoft has to pay Apple for the use of a bootable System which could account for its high price??? But didn't some lower price utilities do a similar thing???


- Patrick
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[Slydude]

I started using DW back in the clamshell iBooks. My wife experienxws a recurring bug where the directory structure pf a drove would sometimes get corrupted when the system went to sleep. At least I think that was the bug anyway. It has been a while.

I kept a copy around for quite a while until I relaized updates were getting more expensive and I was using it less and less as other utilities, including Disk Utility, improved. To me DW has alwats been something of a one trick pony: Hard to justify the cost until you need it.

 

[chscag]

Yes. Sorry, it's only $120. And it's a ridiculous amount for a software utility.

Not only is the price ridiculous, the developers do not seem to be very diligent in providing a version that can deal with APFS. Every new Apple computer being sold is formatted to APFS and anyone who has upgraded to Mojave is using APFS.

And like Randy pointed out, it would be less expensive to just replace the hard drive rather than buy Disk Warrior. I know that someone will say... I need it to recover data on a bad hard drive. Well, that's what backups are for.

 

[Slydude]

I was both surprised and saddened to learn about the lack of APFS support in DW. I din't realize this until I read this thread.

What I find a bit odd about the lack of APFS support is that it is taking so long. APFS has been available as an option since Hight SIerra was released IIRC. I used it for a bit before Apple announced it wasn't supported on fusion drives.

 

[pm-r]

I was both surprised and saddened to learn about the lack of APFS support in DW. I din't realize this until I read this thread.

What I find a bit odd about the lack of APFS support is that it is taking so long. APFS has been available as an option since Hight SIerra was released IIRC. I used it for a bit before Apple announced it wasn't supported on fusion drives.

I have a feeling, but no proof, that Apple may have something to do with the lack of third-party APFS support and DW is sure not the only utility to be affected and this discussion seems typical:
Anyone know WHEN Alsoft's DiskWarrior will ever be able to rebuild APFS disks?
Anyone know WHEN Alsoft's DiskWarrior… - Apple Community



- Patrick
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[chscag]

Again Patrick.... That's a poor excuse on the part of the Disk Warrior developers. Other utility developers such as Bombich (CCC) and SuperDuper (ShirtPocket) had no problems whatsoever with APFS. Also, as inexpensive as new hard drives are, just replace the drive rather than spend money on a utility that's overpriced and not up to par.

Sure, there are going to be folks who do not backup and need to get at their data. Maybe that's who DW is for.

 

[krs]

Again Patrick.... That's a poor excuse on the part of the Disk Warrior developers. Other utility developers such as Bombich (CCC) and SuperDuper (ShirtPocket) had no problems whatsoever with APFS. .

You can't compare the information developers of back-up cloning software like CCC and SD need as far as APFS is concerned to what is needed for software to restore corrupt directories or other aspects to try to fix a corrupted storage media.
From what I read, Tech Tool Pro and Drive Genius are in the same boat as DW in not having an APFS compatible version.

 

[pm-r]

Again Patrick.... That's a poor excuse on the part of the Disk Warrior developers. Other utility developers such as Bombich (CCC) and SuperDuper (ShirtPocket) had no problems whatsoever with APFS.

I wasn't really trying to make an excuse Charlie, but I was suggesting that there are other third party developers who also need information on AppleI's APFS so that they can and do Upgrade their utilities further and make them compatible.

It would seem to me that there are a fair number of the Developers that rely on the knowledge of the inner workings of the latest macOS directory and its file system, and they may require more in depth knowledge then what just backup or cloning software requires.

Maybe Apple considers that none of the extra software (or third-party developers or software) is needed as they may feel that they already provide all that's really necessary. At least in their mind. Please excuse my shudder here!!!



- Patrick
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[Slydude]

The current page for Tech Tool pro indicates that the current version (11) handles APFS drives

Techtool Pro will test, rebuild, and repair damaged directories on corrupted hard drives, and optimize the data directories when they are repaired. Techtool Pro supports Apple's new APFS file system, standard Mac OS Extended volumes, as well as MS-DOS (FAT32) and ExFAT formatted volumes.

When repairing, Volume Rebuild will display a comparison chart before directory data is replaced. Use Volume Rebuild to keep your drives operating at their peak performance

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[krs]

The current page for Tech Tool pro indicates that the current version (11) handles APFS drives

Did you read the discussion?
Micromat :: Topic: APFS - AGAIN no support (1/1)

 

[pm-r]

Did you read the discussion?
Micromat :: Topic: APFS - AGAIN no support (1/1)

+!

That's basically what I have been saying.


- Patrick
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[chscag]

That discussion you refer to was back in March 31, 2019.

And here's their advertisement for Techtool Pro 11:

Most drive problems, however, result from data being in the wrong place, and can be repaired using TechTool Pro’s Volume Rebuild tool. In addition to native Mac drive formats, Mac OS Extended and APFS, Techtool Pro supports testing and repair of MS-DOS (FAT32) and ExFAT formatted volumes.

@krs:

Are you saying that they're not telling us the truth when they clearly say they can repair APFS formatted drives?

 

[chscag]

That's basically what I have been saying.

Saying what? Techtool Pro clearly advertises that they can repair APFS drives. If you're stating that Apple has not released info on APFS to developers, well then some developers apparently have inside information!

 

[krs]

That discussion you refer to was back in March 31, 2019.

Back in March???
That was only 6 or so weeks ago. You make it sound as if this discussion was last year.

And even if they received the documentation from Apple then....it takes a lot longer than 6 weeks to digest it, make the software changes, test it and get it to market.

nd here's their advertisement for Techtool Pro 11:

Most drive problems, however, result from data being in the wrong place, and can be repaired using TechTool Pro’s Volume Rebuild tool. In addition to native Mac drive formats, Mac OS Extended and APFS, Techtool Pro supports testing and repair of MS-DOS (FAT32) and ExFAT formatted volumes.
@krs:
Are you saying that they're not telling us the truth when they clearly say they can repair APFS formatted drives?

I have no idea, but it wouldn't be the first time the marketing and sales guys are three steps ahead when it comes to product capabilities.

As an aside, but along the same lines...
I just bought a small MP4 player.
The advertisement said "MP4 Player" the cover on the user guide says DIGITAL MP4 PLAYER", the player itself has a Video setting among others, but it won't play mp4 files and when I read through the manual to see how to set it up, there was no mention of mp4 (other than on the cover) or video - in fact the listing of supported formats in the manual did not include mp4 or any other video format.

So does Tech Tool Pro 11 fully support all functionality required to repair/rebuild the APFS format? Maybe someone who is using it can tell us.
All the Macs that I'm concerned with maintaining are only at the El Capitan macOS level.

 

[Slydude]

@krs
I hadn’t read that discussion when I posted. I was simply pointing out that their site was touting a level of APFS support.

I’ve just read that discussion and the discussion seems to hinge on a distinction between basic APFS support for directory repair versus support for such things as directory optimization. Which one could argue is less important for those with SSD drives.

All of that doesn’t change my opinion of DW’s lack of APFS support. That’s a major hurdle for them because disk repair is all they do essentially. TTP, for example, tests other aspects of a Mac’s functioning that don’t rely on APFS support.


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[chscag]

That was only 6 or so weeks ago. You make it sound as if this discussion was last year.

That's not what I was saying at all. What I was saying is that it was back in March 2019, it could very well be that things changed since then.

Also, how do you explain their advertisement?

So does Tech Tool Pro 11 fully support all functionality required to repair/rebuild the APFS format? Maybe someone who is using it can tell us.
All the Macs that I'm concerned with maintaining are only at the El Capitan macOS level.

LOL, so why are you even concerned then if you have nothing formatted to APFS?

 

[krs]

All of that doesn’t change my opinion of DW’s lack of APFS support.

I agree with you, but the discussion was why?
With the comment that CCC and SD have APFS support.
All I and I think Patrick were saying is that the APFS details one needs to provide APFS support for CCC or SD are vastly different than for DW and that other disk repair programs don't provide full APFS support either.