Apple to sell Mac OS X 10.7 Lion for $29.99 only in Mac App Store

[Lifeisabeach]

How to burn a Lion boot disc - TUAW - The Unofficial Apple Weblog

Can we please stop the wailing and gnashing of the teeth now?

 

[Lifeisabeach]

That's a very good point. What OS were you running at the time? I know OSX has always had its own internal 'defrag' that is constantly running, and maybe as it has continued to improve with new iterations of the OS it is able to keep a larger block of contiguous space?

OS X only defrags files under 20 or 30 MB in size, and it most certainly has not improved to do any compacting of the space. Here's a thread I made some time back with an example defrag I ran with some good info.
http://www.mac-forums.com/forums/os...87952-defragging-os-x-discussion-example.html

 

[Nighthawk4]

Your old (Snow Leopard) bootable media will work just fine.

We've been getting point-version updates over the Internet for over a decade now. Somehow we've survived that. This is not so different, really.

(I expect there will be a DVD version, but it will probably be much more expensive than $29 and probably not available immediately. Volume licensees will demand one. No way are they pushing a multi-gigabyte download to a lab full of Macs.)

I agree. A large download will not be good for those of us with a slow connection.

On the other hand, I suppose for a 'clean' install of Lion, we could install SL and upgrade immediately to Lion - almost the same thing.

Either way, I prefer to have a nice shiny DVD rather than a download for something like this.

 

[harryb2448]

And here we poor suckers are Down Under, our dollar riding some 9% higher than the greenback and our only option is downloading from the Australian App Store at an increased price of $32.00.

Again Apple rips off users outside the US. And in rural Australia always a slow connection with these old, slow copper cables ten klms from the local exchange drat!

DVD for me also by the look of things.

 

[vansmith]

How to burn a Lion boot disc - TUAW - The Unofficial Apple Weblog

Can we please stop the wailing and gnashing of the teeth now?

That's great (truly it is) but that shouldn't be necessary. Why should I have to browse the app bundle just to find an image to burn? This is the bigger issue in my opinion.

 

[bobtomay]

Bob,
Are you using iDefrag for this (you had mentioned it in an earlier thread)? I downloaded the trial which scans only and was debating buying it.

Yes, iDefrag it is. I made it through Tiger and Leopard without the need for defragging. Upgraded the hard drive when I hit 40% free space under Leopard.

Started storing more videos, books and the new higher bitrate Audible books on my Mac instead of the server with SL. Plus, I seriously move a lot of data on and off the system drive on an ongoing basis.

My first upgraded drive, I started noticing a slow down that could not be fixed by any other method when I hit 30% free space. After running iDefrag I was back to a smooth running machine again.

Thus far, I have only run a full defrag a total of 4 times in a year and 1/2 since I started using it. (Probably once every 6 months is all I've needed.)

Once was after a SuperDuper! clone to a new drive. Discovered SD! does not put your system files at the front of the drive. iDefrag did move them all back to the beginning of the drive - reduced boot time by 8 seconds for me among other things.

What I have seen so far, when I start noticing a slow down not taken care of by cleaning the drive to get back to 40% free space and running Onyx, is the free space fragmentation # has been over 50%.

My guess... It might need to be run more often on drives running at 25% or less free space in combination with a habit of moving a lot of files (inc'g video) on and off the drive.

While it's helped me (because I'm extremely picky about my system running smoothly), I'm still of the opinion that the majority of typical users will never need to defrag their drives.

 

[Lifeisabeach]

That's great (truly it is) but that shouldn't be necessary. Why should I have to browse the app bundle just to find an image to burn? This is the bigger issue in my opinion.

Lion is still in beta, but it should be quite obvious they are setting the groundwork for this to be simple and elegant. Just as any long-time Mac user should expect by now. I swear.... all this bellyaching makes me think y'all switched a couple weeks ago and don't understand that yet.

 

[baggss]

Lion is still in beta, but it should be quite obvious they are setting the groundwork for this to be simple and elegant. Just as any long-time Mac user should expect by now. I swear.... all this bellyaching makes me think y'all switched a couple weeks ago and don't understand that yet.

That!

 

[schweb]

That's great (truly it is) but that shouldn't be necessary. Why should I have to browse the app bundle just to find an image to burn? This is the bigger issue in my opinion.

Because this is some hack, back door way some dev found out. Until Apple has an official statement, I would assume the shipping copy of Lion will have some easier way to do this.

I really don't understand why everyone is assuming the worst when it hasn't even hit final release yet.

 

[vansmith]

I agree with the above that there is a very real possibility that Apple will have an easier method to develop a bootable copy. To be fair to my post though, you posted a link to a set of instructions to which my previous comments still apply. I wasn't implying in anyway that this was going to be the method required with the final build. I was commenting on the requirements as they were presented there.

And in no way do those instructions imply that Apple is laying the groundwork for a burnable copy (like I said though, I'm sure official instructions will be made available). The installer had to contain the installation files somewhere so it's not inconceivable to assume that a bootable copy could be made from the installer.

 

[RONE]

Because this is some hack, back door way some dev found out. Until Apple has an official statement, I would assume the shipping copy of Lion will have some easier way to do this.

I really don't understand why everyone is assuming the worst when it hasn't even hit final release yet.

Exactly.