Alternatives to the no longer available Time Capsule?

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This site has their preferences for "reasonably priced, fast, and reliable" HDDs:

LOL! Patrick, that's a shill site for Amazon. That page's sole reason for existence is to get its author kickbacks from Amazon. You should have been tipped off immediately when you saw that their top choice was an external Seagate drive with no power supply, no cooling, running at only 5400 rpm, and SMR!

This is one of the drives that Bombich specifically recommends AGAINST.

Unless you know that a particular Web site has a long history of being reliable, you should assume that any site that you find with recommendations is a shill site.

As far as my recommendations being SSD drives..again...read the TidBits article that I linked to. The cheapest drive isn't the best drive, and a cheap drive may end up being close to worthless when you really need it.
 
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LOL! Patrick, that's a shill site for Amazon. That page's sole reason for existence is to get its author kickbacks from Amazon. You should have been tipped off immediately when you saw... ...

Don't worry Randy, I do not shop or usually pay much attention to such sites. I just used it as an example from a list of Google hits I got from a search.

I just happened to have purchased the Seagate Drive directly at the amazon.ca site on my own during a weak moment of poor judgment and based on super cheap price at the time. Something I very seldom do.

I didn't realize either that SMR type drives were still being built and sold and it was actually sold from the Amazon's Seagate storefront.


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Patrick, that drive should be just fine for a "secondary backup" as you said you planned. It won't be fast, but as a secondary backup, blinding speed is not needed. Frankly, I think this whole SMR/CMR controversy is a bit overblown. A bunch of guys who used SMR drives in a huge RAID arrray had problems when trying to add one of these drives into the array on the fly. The write speeds were so slow that the resilvering process (as it's called) ultimately failed. Then WD didn't exactly cover itself in glory by not letting buyers know that it had shifted the technology, which is what the lawsuit was about. The suit claimed the drives were less reliable and more slow, WD denied the technology was in any way defective, but settled. From the site Randy linked:
Western Digital denies SMR is inferior technology and denies all accusations of wrongdoing; however, it has agreed to the settlement.
Companies settle lawsuits for many reasons, one of which is that shysters often dupe clients with these kinds of cases, then bank their "share" of the winnings before a penny goes to the client. By settling, WD saves on its own lawyers, gets past the issue and all the end user gets is, from the settlement, $4 to $7 per drive. From the same link:
It is expected that those who purchased WD Red NAS drives with 2TB capacity (WD20EFAX) or 3TB capacity (WD30EFAX) will receive at least $4 for each drive, while those who purchased WD Red NAS drives with 4 TB capacity (WD40EFAX) or 6TB capacity (WD60EFAX) will receive at least $7 for each.
And you said, Patrick:
I didn't realize either that SMR type drives were still being built and sold and it was actually sold from the Amazon's Seagate storefront.
But SMR is the newer technology, an attempt to increase data density on the RDHD. I suspect more and more SMR drives will come out, with CMR drives becoming the very expensive drives for RAID arrays and maybe for NAS applications.

Here is a balanced article written this year about the drives:


In it, the author says this, specifically, about backups:
Whether SMR is bad or not is a subjective call. If you want massive amounts of storage for less money and you don’t mind the performance penalties involved, an SMR drive might be an OK choice for you. Typically, a 16TB SMR drive costs less than a 16 TB CMR drive, for example. If you use a drive for occasional single-disk backups, an SMR drive might be fine.
So, Patrick, use it as you planned.
 
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Frankly, I think this whole SMR/CMR controversy is a bit overblown.

No, it's really a thing.

One only has to do a Google search on the Web to see tons of articles saying so. No matter how many times you say that SMR drives are perfectly fine...they aren't. I hear from folks who made the mistake of purchasing an SMR drive (usually because of it's attractive price) all the time; they tend to be really disappointed with the drive's performance and reliability.

One note. If you'll check, SMR drives tend to have much shorter warranties than CMR drives. Not all of them, but a noticeable number of them. That's almost certainly because an SMR drive is 1) less reliable, and 2) will slow to a crawl very early in it's life as it begins filling up.

Companies settle lawsuits for many reasons, ... By settling, WD saves on its own lawyers...

The law isn't your area of expertise, you should probably not be giving advice about it; and the "shyster" comment is insulting and bigoted.

Companies DO sometimes settle lawsuits to avoid the costs of litigation. However, when they do, they settle for a nominal sum. Not close to THREE MILLION DOLLARS, which is the settlement amount in the WD/SMR case. When I win a case for three million dollars I don't call it a "nominal sum," I call it a "big win."
 
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No matter how many times you say that SMR drives are perfectly fine...they aren't.
Please don't misrepresent what I have said, Randy. I've never said the drives are perfectly fine, I've said that in single use, non-RAID environments where speed is not an issue they are ok to use, And nothing more. They are NOT perfectly fine because they are slow and don't work well in RAID arrays.
The law isn't your area of expertise, you should probably not be giving advice about it; and the "shyster" comment is insulting and bigoted.
I also am not giving out legal advice. Another misrepresentation. I just commented on the settlement.

And I call $4 per drive a "nominal sum" for the issue. Your valuation may be different, but if a drive costs $150 and I get $4 from this settlement, that's not much of a "big win."

As for "shyster" the dictionary says this:
A person, especially a lawyer, who uses unscrupulous, fraudulent, or deceptive methods in business.
Not all lawyers are shysters, just as not all doctors are quacks, or all salespersons snake-oil sellers. But there are shysters, and there are quacks and there are snake-oil sellers in the world.

So, I will assume you are an ethical, scrupulous lawyer and that as such you are not a shyster and you should want shysters drummed out of your profession.
 
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Patrick, that drive should be just fine for a "secondary backup" as you said you planned. It won't be fast, but as a secondary backup, blinding speed is not needed. ...
So, Patrick, use it as you planned.


Jake, thank you for your support and extra SMR Drive information and I wasn't expecting any great Speed Demon, but was hoping for something reasonably reliable. We shall see when I eventually get it in place.

As I mentioned, it was planned to be a secondary backup for our two iMacs, and speed is not one of the things I was needing or expecting.

As you say, Keep Calm and carry on as planned...


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They are NOT perfectly fine because they are slow and don't work well in RAID arrays.

They are also generally POS's outside of a RAID array. Ask anyone who has one. Especially someone who has had an SMR drive for a while.

I also am not giving out legal advice. Another misrepresentation. I just commented on the settlement.

You gave your opinion for why there was a settlement in the WD case. Once again, this isn't your area of expertise, and I think that you are quite mistaken.

And I call $4 per drive a "nominal sum" for the issue. Your valuation may be different, but if a drive costs $150 and I get $4 from this settlement, that's not much of a "big win."

The article that I cited didn't say that folks would only be getting e.g. $4/drive. It said that no one would likely be getting less than that. The actual amount that each class member got depended on how large their drive was, it's original SRP, the number of individuals who responded to be in the class of plaintiff's and the total amount of the recovery. Depending on the above factors, some or maybe even all members of the class could have received a decent amount of compensation.

While it's true that the amount of money that each class member receives in a class action lawsuit in the U.S. is rarely close to the amount that would fully compensate them (and I don't know why that is, and I don't defend it), the original point was your implication that the suit had no merit and that it was settled for reasons other than its merit. Such a conclusion is ridiculous. Once again, no defendant settles a non-meritorious lawsuit for close to three million dollars. If a defendant settles a lawsuit for a large sum like three million dollars, it's because they are afraid that they have a weak case and that a jury might award far more.
 
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Again, as I said, please stop misrepresenting what I have said.
 
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Again, as I said, please stop misrepresenting what I have said.

I don't believe that I have.

As always, I've stated my position and I've given a LOT of citations. I think that users here have the information that they need to make informed choices. I really hate for them to be misled.
 
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Lots of citations without any measurements are just echo-chambers.

But that's it. Bye.
 
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Lots of citations without any measurements are just echo-chambers.

This is a discussion list. I'm not even required to give citations, but I do. What have you provided?

If you want scientific studies, then why don't you provide them?
 

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🤔 Well, this really took off. I have to admit, I learned a great deal, and frankly, had I not purchased them already ........ but I did.

Just a couple of quick points from my perspective.

Speed: For ME, not a big concern. My computer use is quite limited compared to most of you.

Reliability: Again, my limited use along with the brief use as a back up only for a few minutes daily, I'm reasonably confident that even some of the least reliable drives would serve my purposes. I'll also have redundancy with two separate drives, one attached to the Time Capsule, the other a "Super Duper" back up.

Cost: Sometimes living on a fixed income means compromises. Two 4TB external drives @ $80 each for me is a pretty decent value. No monthly fees, everything local, and for the first time in 2 years, reliable back up.

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🤔 Well, this really took off. I have to admit, I learned a great deal, and frankly, had I not purchased them already ........ but I did.
Cost: Sometimes living on a fixed income means compromises.

Well hempomatic, that makes two of us, even though my Seagate Barracuda HDD was only a 2 TB model, it will suit my use for it as an 81 year-old user.

I will be using Carbon Copy Cloner as I always do for my backups, and I trust it will give me some warning as it has previously done when doing a backup when there is something wrong with the Target Drive if and when the Seagate Barracuda gets corrupted.

My other backup drive is a cloned Western Digital Black 1TB HDD which I have great confidence in like all the other WD Black HDDs I have used with our Macs.

Oh right, I almost forgot I also use a 2.5" Buffalo Mini Station Thunderbolt HDD which has proven to be a great little workhorse hard drive.

Thank you for the interesting discussion and another learning experience, and I hope you get your TC running and working properly.

PS: your listed location Western North Carolina, looks like a nice place to live:


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Well hempomatic, that makes two of us,

Thank you for the interesting discussion and another learning experience, and I hope you get your TC running and working properly.

PS: your listed location Western North Carolina, looks like a nice place to live:



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Thank you!

And yes, this is a wonderful area of the country. It took a while to get used to the culture shock of moving here from NJ but the mountains here are stunning, and the pace is quite relaxed.
 
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And yes, this is a wonderful area of the country. It took a while to get used to the culture shock of moving here from NJ...

We had a neighbour that moved here from New Jersey several years ago, and something to do with his job or something, and I just loooved to listen to them talllk with their NJ accents and would encourage them to do so.

They have since moved and I think they went back to New Jersey. I understand it is a nice but fairly expensive place to live. But I am guessing that Western North Carolina is nicer and at least more affordable.

It was during the era when a lot of US citizens were wanting to and did leave their country due to a certain leader you had down there.


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We had a neighbour that moved here from New Jersey several years ago, and something to do with his job or something, and I just loooved to listen to them talllk with their NJ accents and would encourage them to do so.

They have since moved and I think they went back to New Jersey. I understand it is a nice but fairly expensive place to live. But I am guessing that Western North Carolina is nicer and at least more affordable.

It was during the era when a lot of US citizens were wanting to and did leave their country due to a certain leader you had down there.


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I just loooved to listen to them talllk with their NJ accents and would encourage them to do so.

WE don't have accents, YOU do. 🤪

It was during the era when a lot of US citizens were wanting to and did leave their country due to a certain leader you had down there.


We've had a couple of those. I have some US expat friends that moved there in 1970 for obvious reasons to anyone that was around in those days.

You also live in a beautiful area of the planet.

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