schweb said:
Ah yes, those civilized Europeans...after causing two World Wars as well as having a long history of warfare and attrocity, I don't really think they have the credibility to lecture anyone about what they do at this point
But then really, if you go by those guidelines, I guess no one does :closed:
Perhaps in the grand scheme of world leaders out there today, if all things are looked at equally GWB isn't so bad.
Well, as you are so good at history, you should have noticed that, since WWII, the biggest European nations, which were responsible for most Euraopean wars in the past, including the WWs (Germany, France and England) have become quite peacefull alltogether. And of course, the way the USA became what it is today was all peacefull from the beginning (sarcasm)...
It seems to me that Europeans had learned from the mistakes of the past, unlike the US...
Europe isn't all peacefull and nice and good, I'm aware of that. Nevertheless, we have a lot more different nations and cultures to keep together, which isn't an easy task.
Just one little thing I'd like to add: Before the two WW, the USA never meddled much with other countries. They fought in WW1 and WW2, and, lucky for us Europeans, managed to destroy the Nazi regime (allthough with the help of other European countries and the USSR).
But after that, it seems that they think they have to solve all conflicts in the world (Vietnam and Iraq are just two examples of their miserable failure)...instead of minding their own business, and trying to fix the problems they have in their own country.
So they shouldn't be too much surprised if they are not welcome all over the world, when they are going around, thinking their laws and moralities should apply to all other nations.
And, to be historically correct, the only 2 nuclear bombs ever thrown on an enemy nation were thrown from Americans...something not to be very proud of in my opinion.