Hd-dvd Vs. Blu-ray

[alucard]

I don't think those comparisons are valid.

Beta-Max lost the format war because 1stly beta-max tapes could only store one hour of video and secondly Sony refused to license the technology so other manufacturers could not make Beta-max video players. Also, the quality of beta-max was not THAT much better than VHS. With Blu-Ray, none of these mistakes are being made.

True, but remember i said "like". Two different technologies trying to win the standard. And one DVD does allow for more storage but at least different DVD player manufacturers can build them. I had forgotten that Sony didnt allow others to build the players. bad move

As for the v.92, I think you're referring to the 56k K56FLEX vs US Robotics X2 . Again, these two were actually both replaced by v.92 mainly because of pressure from Microsoft and telecons I believe.

Yes, you are right , 56KFLEX and X2. I cant believe i forgot that. I remember playing C&C, Descent and DOOM dialing up to my friends PC's. Those were the days. No full time job, no worrying about bills....Those days are over

Ultimately, the Studios will decide the outcome of this war, and if in 1977, Sony had owned Columbia, MGM and Sony Pictures (along with the hundreds of indie music labels and film studios), VHS would never have seen the light of day.

Maybe Sony will win this time

 

[DavisCollins]

+1 for HD-DVD

me three.

and matt, i know what you mean by rude. hahahahhahahaha!

 

[Bonzaisushi]

Just to fuel the fire...

this is a well written article on it, and the writers seem to stay pretty neutral.

I think both will survive, since broadcom has made a chip that will play both. so in the end its personal prefrence, but by far, more companies are backing blu-ray.


http://www.engadget.com/2005/09/19/blu-ray-vs-hd-dvd-state-of-the-s-union-s-division/

 

[Zoolook]

Just to fuel the fire...

this is a well written article on it, and the writers seem to stay pretty neutral.

I think both will survive, since broadcom has made a chip that will play both. so in the end its personal prefrence, but by far, more companies are backing blu-ray.


http://www.engadget.com/2005/09/19/blu-ray-vs-hd-dvd-state-of-the-s-union-s-division/

That's a little old, but still relevant. Great post, thanks.

 

[schweb]

I think both will survive, since broadcom has made a chip that will play both.

I guarantee you that won't happen. One will die off. It's not financially feasible for studios to support both formats. They will pick a side and the loser will go the way of the dodo.

Remember DVD vs Divx? There were Divx players that could play both, but in the end studios didn't like the Divx format and it died.

 

[MacHeadCase]

And remember Betamax and VHS? Betamax was clearly better but VHS won the battle.

I'm with schweb, one format alone will make it, the other will be relegated to becoming only an entry in Wikipedia one day...

 

[MrJoshua]

I guarantee you that won't happen. One will die off. It's not financially feasible for studios to support both formats. They will pick a side and the loser will go the way of the dodo.

Remember DVD vs Divx? There were Divx players that could play both, but in the end studios didn't like the Divx format and it died.

I take it this is a different Divx to the current DivX compression for downloaded movies??

If so, do you have any links to info on it?

 

[imacmatt09]

I take it this is a different Divx to the current DivX compression for downloaded movies??

If so, do you have any links to info on it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DivX

 

[schweb]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DivX

That has absolutely nothing to do with the Divx vs DVD wars.

Here is a link that has more information:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/1998/08/13/BU36940.DTL

or here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DIVX

 

[imacmatt09]

That has absolutely nothing to do with the Divx vs DVD wars.

Here is a link that has more information:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/1998/08/13/BU36940.DTL

ok...

 

[Zoolook]

That has absolutely nothing to do with the Divx vs DVD wars.

Here is a link that has more information:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/1998/08/13/BU36940.DTL

or here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DIVX

I didn't know anything about that until just now... I guess it didn't make it to the UK. What an earth were they thinking?

 

[schweb]

I didn't know anything about that until just now... I guess it didn't make it to the UK. What an earth were they thinking?

One guess, it starts with an "m" and rhymes with "funny".

 

[mr g5]

bluray will win, sonys Blu-Ray player is $800, which is closer to hd-DVD player prices. More studios are backing it. its technically superior, in every way.

 

[MrJoshua]

Cheers for the links about DIVX... I'd never heard of it before either.

The Wiki says it was US only and only backed by a couple of retailers.

 

[Zoolook]

One guess, it starts with an "m" and rhymes with "funny".

Ha ha - well obviously, but Pan and Scan for Pete's sake? That's anathema to any self respecting movie addict.

I noticed today that Blu-Ray and HD-DVD movies are actually the same price as one another, either $19.99 or $29.99 depending on the movie. I lot of people were saying HD-DVD films would be a lot cheaper, but this doesn't seem to be true.

 

[INNOVA]

bluray will win, sonys Blu-Ray player is $800, which is closer to hd-DVD player prices. More studios are backing it. its technically superior, in every way.

Toshiba's HD-DVD player is in the $450 range at best buy right now. The Xbox360 HD-DVD player is a $199 or less add-on.

Look at reviews between movies that are on both platforms... they look better on HD-DVD every time. The codec that HD-DVD uses produces higher quality images. Blu-Ray looks similar to over-the-air HD broadcast.


Oh and to top it off, HD-DVD media and players are currently outselling BluRay 10 to 1.

 

[schweb]

Toshiba's HD-DVD player is in the $450 range at best buy right now. The Xbox360 HD-DVD player is a $199 or less add-on.

Look at reviews between movies that are on both platforms... they look better on HD-DVD every time. The codec that HD-DVD uses produces higher quality images. Blu-Ray looks similar to over-the-air HD broadcast.


Oh and to top it off, HD-DVD media and players are currently outselling BluRay 10 to 1.

Quality is a function of codec, and Blu-Ray is working on updating the codec, already planning on h.264 I believe which will blow VC-1 out of the water. Here's some more you might want to read on this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray#Codecs

HD-DVD hit the market first, there aren't many Blu-Ray players on the market, but you're forgetting one thing...the PS3 will greatly expand the market. Sure MS has an "add-on" but it's built into every PS3.

Many, many, many more companies support Blu-Ray. As soon as all the companies add Blu-Ray drives and make players, HD-DVD will be in trouble.

I also believe more studios support the Blu-Ray format.

At this point in time, sure HD-DVD might be outselling Blu-Ray, but the total market is miniscule so that's not saying much. In a few years when the market for next-gen DVD tech really starts to grow, I think it will be a completely different story.

 

[schweb]

BTW,
Here's the list of Blu-Ray supporting companies (look who's at the top):

Board of Directors
Apple
Dell
HP
Hitachi
LG
Mitsubishi Electric
Panasonic
Pioneer
Philips
Samsung
Sharp
Sony
Sun Microsystems
TDK
Thomson
Twentieth Century Fox
Walt Disney
Warner Bros.

Contributors
Adobe Systems
Almedio Inc.
Alticast
Aplix Corporation
ArcSoft, Inc.
ATI Technologies Inc.
Atmel Corporation
AudioDev AB
Broadcom Corporation
Canon Inc.
CMC Magnetics Corporation
Coding Technologies GmbH
Cryptography Research Inc.
CyberLink Corp.
DATARIUS Technologies GmbH
DCA Inc.
Deluxe Media Services Inc.
Dolby Laboratories Inc.
DTS, Inc.
Electronic Arts Inc.
Esmertec
Fuji Photo Film Co. Ltd.
Fujitsu Ltd.
Gibson Guitar Corp.
Horizon Semiconductor
Imation Corp.
InterVideo Inc.
Kenwood Corporation
Lionsgate Entertainment
LITE-ON IT Corporation
LSI Logic
MediaTek Inc.
Meridian Audio Ltd.
Metta Technology
Mitsubishi Kagaku Media Co.Ltd.
Mitsui Chemicals Inc.
Moser Baer India Limited
NEC Electronics Corporation
Nero
Optodisc Technology Corporation
Paramount Pictures Corporation
Pixela Corporation
Prodisc Technology Inc.
Pulstec Industrial Co., Ltd.
Ricoh Co., Ltd.
Ritek Corporation
ShibaSoku Co. Ltd.
Sigma Designs Inc.
Sonic Solutions
Sonopress
Sony BMG Music Entertainment
ST Microelectronics
Sunext
Taiyo Yuden Co., Ltd.,
Texas Instruments, Inc.
Universal Music Group
Victor Company of Japan, Ltd.
Visionare Corporation
Zentek Technology Japan, Inc.
ZOOtech Ltd.
Zoran Corporation

Members
Alpine Electronics Inc.
Asahi Kasei Microsystems Co., Ltd.
ashampoo GmbH & Co. KG
Bandai Visual Co. Ltd.
BASF AG
Basler Vision Technologies
BenQ Corporation
B.H.A. Corporation
Bose Corporation
B&W Group
The Cannery
Cheertek Inc.
Cinram Manufacturing Inc.
D&M holdings, Inc.
Daewoo Electronics Corporation
Daikin Industries, Ltd.
Daxon Technology Inc.
Degussa
Eclipse Data Technologies
Elpida Memory, Inc.
ESS Technology Inc.
Expert Magnetics Corp.
Fujitsu Ten Ltd.
Funai Electric Co., Ltd.
GalleryPlayer Media Networks
Gear Software
Hie Electronics, Inc.
Hoei Sangyo Co., Ltd.
IMAGICA Corp.
INFODISC Technology Co., Ltd.
Infomedia Inc.
Intersil Corporation
Kadokawa Holdings Inc.
Kaleidescape, Inc.
Kitano Co., Ltd.
Konica Minolta Opto Inc.
Laser Pacific Media Corp.
Lauda Co. Ltd.
Lead Data Inc.
LEADER ELECTRONICS CORP
Lenovo
Linn Products Ltd.
LINTEC Corporation
M2 Engineering AB
MainConcept AG
Mitsumi Electric Co., Ltd.
Must Technology Co., Ltd.
MX Entertainment
Netflix Inc.
Newtech Infosystems Inc.
NEXAPM Systems Technology Inc.
Nichia Corporation
Nikkatsu Corporation
NTT Electronics Corporation
nVidia Corporation
OC Oerlikon Balzer AG
Omnibus Japan Inc.
Onkyo Corporation
Online Media Technologies Ltd.
Ono Sokki Co., Ltd.
OPT Corporation
Orbit Corp.
Origin Electric Co., Ltd.
Osmosys SA
Pinnacle Systems
PoINT Software & Systems GmbH
Pony Canyon Enterprise
PowerFile
Primera Technology, Inc.
Quanta Storage Inc.
Realtek Semiconductor Corp.
Rimage Corporation
Sanyo Electric Co., Ltd.
Dr. Schwab Inspection Technology GmbH
Shinano Kenshi Co. Ltd.
Singulus Technologies
STEAG ETA-OPTIK GmbH
Sumitomo Bakelite
Tao Group Limited
Targray Technology International Inc.
TEAC Corporation
Teijin Chemicals Ltd.
THX Ltd.
Toei Video Company Ltd.
Toho Company, Ltd.
Toppan Printing Co., Ltd.
TOPTICA Photonics AG
Trailer Park
UmeDisc Ltd.
Vivendi Universal Games
Yamaha Corporation
Yokogawa Electric Corporation
1K Studios, LLC

 

[INNOVA]

Apple supports HD-DVD as well

 

[schweb]

Apple supports HD-DVD as well

I went to the HD-DVD site and I don't see Apple's name on the list of members.