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A buddy of mine who is very pro PC told me that I am kidding myself regarding mac being secure from threats.

I have never downloaded something unintentionally. I have clicked and watched movie clips that friends have forwarded to me (I don't know if that can hold a trojan horse. I have also clicked on video clips on the net).

My imagination and paranoia as it is - after he told me this I started to notice that my G5 tower seems to have slowed down some, had some Firefox problems (it recently started asking if "Remember Password" for sites I have been going to for a long time - such as this one and other forums). Also, my iTunes has gone to visualizer by itself (unless I hit a button or tab, etc and didn't know it).

So, opinions, guidance, etc.

Thanks, Worry Wort Mac Lover
 
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It's the placebo effect =/ No, Macs are not invulnerable as many people believe, people just don't write 'viruses' for them because they wouldn't spread very efficiently. Only between 5-10 percent of the desktop market is Apple.
 
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p.s. It still boots quickly

Slowdown is when I boot up CS4....spinning wheel

Why would visualizer turn on by itself on iTunes?

It's like reading about an illness and then thinking you have the symptoms. I do feel better after your reply....
 
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Couple of Questions

Tell your pro PC friend to keep his virus talk to himself!
Make yourself a coffee, sit down and have a read of this
As for the rest, try some basic troubleshooting and general housekeeping that I'm am guessing you have not been practicing.
http://www.mac-forums.com/forums/os-x-operating-system/93819-basic-os-x-mac-troubleshooting.html
Also, download this to get your your housekeeping going :)

This file is in my preferences, and is named: îtîë$tøˇ€Äîùÿ@îë&–î묉
Sounds funky?

Also, many folders have the .plist on them. Do I delete all folders with .plist on them?
 
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Uuch. It's amazing how some people get off on trying to spread misinformation about things which they have no knowledge of. The only thing your friend said which is accurate is that OS X isn't always secure from threats. Nothing of this nature IS. But what he doesn't understand or neglected to say is HOW OS X might be vulnerable.

I can think of only ONE way right now in which you can cause a potential security risk to your Mac (Trojan). And though this 'one way' can present its self in different types of gift wrappings, the fact still stands that YOU have to give IT permission to exist on your OS.

An example: There's an ILLEGAL copy of iWork 09' floating around on torrent sites and some questionable (ie; see stupid place to download anything from) peer to peer download sites. This copy of iWork is known to harbor a trojan in its package. Upon installing iWork, you have to give it permission to do so, by typing your password.

Once you enter your password for ANYTHING which you're not familiar with in its origins, ALL BETS ARE OFF. And herein lies the inherent security flaws in all versions of Windows. In Windows, unless you are aware of the fact that until you create a limited privileged user account, you'll always be running as administrator. Administrator's in Windows are running as 'root' and any changes they make are global.

Linux, BSD etc.. all require the user to either enter a password for each action which requires admin rights, or to sudo into root for an extended period of time. During that time, the machine is more susceptible to outside influences. But it's still always up to the USER.

This isn't just an OS thing.. it's an uneducated USER thing. Sorry to say but, most average Joe Windows users/consumers, aren't savvy or educated enough (as far as how their OS functions beyond playing games and writing papers etc.. ) to understand this. And ya know what ? I think MS actually encourages this behavior and profits from it.

Think about it. Do you really think that all of the Virus "protection" companies would still be in business if the average consumer knew how to avoid getting trojans or viruses ? Haven't you ever found it kind of ironic about how retail Win machines are either bundled with or are offered with Virus protection software ? It's a HUGE business who's profits are split !

I've personally NEVER EVER used anything but network detection tools and an hardware firewall (ie;router), including my days on Windows. *which was up until Vista* Anti virus protection ? ha !

What I love the most is when I go into a store such as let's say... B&H Photo/Video in Manhattan, a fantastic place to get camera gear.. and in the computer dept, a salesman is trying to convince a potential customer that the only reason Mac's are safe is due to something called "security through obscurity" (that old gag). This is the argument which states that no body cares about Mac's enough to try and write hacks or viruses for them because there's not enough market share for the world to be affected.

I usually listen to the FUD for a bit, and then casually walk over and say that I over heard the conversation and "could I ask a few questions" just to see if I understand what he's saying. "But of course.. ask away !"

That's when I ask him serious technical questions about how security in the "nix" world is handled (of course being pretty much the same for the BSD world etc.. ) and how that relates to Os X security vs. Windows security, plus the whole uneducated Win user thing.. . And ya know what happens then ? Exactly. The customer thanks me and says he's going to the Apple store to get a Mac. Whether they do or not I've no idea, but just for the plain fact that the salesman never has an intelligent, educated retort, let's them know that he's full of crap.

And as you've witnessed with your friend, this mentality is pretty wide spread. I'd go so far as to call it denial, actually. Look, I'm not a Mac/Apple fan boy by any means. In fact, I kind of hate the way Apple conduct themselves in a lot of aspects of their business. But I like to stick to facts. And when I hear things such as what your friend was spewing, I feel compelled to invalidate such nonsense.

If your machine is running slow, you might try running Onyx. It's a free utility which does some maintenance. You WILL enter your password for it to run, as you will do with many other OS X programs. Just know where you're getting your apps/programs from and make sure their check sum hashes are valid if such info is available. If you're not sure of something, Google it.

Doug

P.S. Google "OS X security through obscurity myths" and have fun. Definitely get that coffee...
 
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If you don't know what you are deleting.... don't touch them!
The library is full of .plist files for all your applications, and deleting them willy nilly is asking for problems.
Which .plist files are you talking about?
As for that funky file....... I would move it to the desktop, repair disk permissions, and if all is well, delete it.
 
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Moved it to the desktop & ran repair permissions

As usual when I run repair permissions, I get a lot of history and info. How will I know if the loss of this folder is a problem?

Should I copy it to a DVD in case?

I am relatively new to Mac - two years. I don't know why I stayed pc for so long. Mac is better in every sense.
 
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What version of OS X are you on?
Did you repair permissions while booted off your startup disk, install disc, or did you use OnyX?
You should run it off your install disc or Onyx, and run it twice in a row.
After using install disc or Onyx option, as well as the details of your OS X version, can you post a pic of the window with its list of permissions repairs?
 
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You can right click (control click) on that funky file to get info., but I would just delete it!
 
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No, just ran it while mac was up and running

What version of OS X are you on?
Did you repair permissions while booted off your startup disk, install disc, or did you use OnyX?
You should run it off your install disc or Onyx, and run it twice in a row.
After using install disc or Onyx option, as well as the details of your OS X version, can you post a pic of the window with its list of permissions repairs?
I am running Leopard 10.5.8 with Snow Leopard upgrade. How do I snapshot the repair permissions window?

Also, I just opened utilities, disk utility, and then ran repair permissions? Should I download Onyx and do it again?
 
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To take the snapshot, hold shift+command+4 with the pointer over the window.
Then push sapce bar and then click mouse.
Yes, you should use OnyX.
I would have done the clean install of leopard, and then reinstall 3rd party software, and ilife and iwork from your original install discs to have a fresh system.
Then install Mac OS X v10.6.2 Update (Combo)
After that, hit software update, and a couple more updates should come through.
After that, when you run permissions repairs twice in a row again, you should have a few errors after the first time, then a couple that will be left after the second time, which are safe to ignore.

Before going the clean install option, what you will want to do is backup using time machine, or CCC or SuperDuper
Then you can copy back all your docs, pics, movies, music, etc.
 
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You press CMD + Shift + 4
You should then get a little plus with a circle around it. You can drag that around the area you want to capture and then a the picture will appear on your desktop. You can also hold space once the plus appears and hover over the window and it will capture the whole window.

ooop: 6string beat me too it
 
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It's the placebo effect =/ No, Macs are not invulnerable as many people believe, people just don't write 'viruses' for them because they wouldn't spread very efficiently. Only between 5-10 percent of the desktop market is Apple.

Security through obscurity is pretty much a garbage argument. The fact is the underpinning of OSX (Unix) is simply more secure than anything that MS has offered to date. Any well written well executed *Nix virus or trojan could hurt a lot of machines on the web, yet they really don't exist. It's not just OSX, it's all flavors of Unix/Linux that are inherently more secure.
 
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He may just be suffering from Macaphobia!
 
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A buddy of mine who is very pro PC told me that I am kidding myself regarding mac being secure from threats.

Let's go back to the very beginning before making any assumptions on what your friend means ......so a good place to start is to define ' threats ', otherwise people will start firing answers in all kinds of directions.

Cheers ... McBie
 
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OK, I see ...
These ' threats ' has been covered extensively on the forum.

Cheers ... McBie
 

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