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<blockquote data-quote="MacInWin" data-source="post: 1901227" data-attributes="member: 396914">&quot;Asr,&quot; which I have read is the &quot;backup&quot; process in place ever since Apple created APFS, is broken. CCC and SD! both depend on it, as does TM. In the increase in security (secure, encrypted enclaves, etc.) Apple broke the process by which files of the system could be copied. The &quot;asr&quot; process was supposed to have the authority to reach into the secure encryption and make the backups as needed. CCC started reporting problems with asr early on, right after APFS appeared. Dave Nanian, of SD!, also has reported issues with it that he managed to work around, sort of. Originally, I thought that maybe Apple was saying, &quot;We will provide backup, you don't need any third party,&quot; but now I think it is not a plan, it's just broken.&nbsp; And I agree, they need to fix it before there is a greater outcry. A class-action lawsuit from a group of businesses that depend on Apple hardware for business operations and who stand to lose the most if backups don't work might be an incentive to Apple to do something. Clearly the end user is crying in the dark and not being heard on this.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="MacInWin, post: 1901227, member: 396914"] "Asr," which I have read is the "backup" process in place ever since Apple created APFS, is broken. CCC and SD! both depend on it, as does TM. In the increase in security (secure, encrypted enclaves, etc.) Apple broke the process by which files of the system could be copied. The "asr" process was supposed to have the authority to reach into the secure encryption and make the backups as needed. CCC started reporting problems with asr early on, right after APFS appeared. Dave Nanian, of SD!, also has reported issues with it that he managed to work around, sort of. Originally, I thought that maybe Apple was saying, "We will provide backup, you don't need any third party," but now I think it is not a plan, it's just broken. And I agree, they need to fix it before there is a greater outcry. A class-action lawsuit from a group of businesses that depend on Apple hardware for business operations and who stand to lose the most if backups don't work might be an incentive to Apple to do something. Clearly the end user is crying in the dark and not being heard on this. [/QUOTE]

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