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<blockquote data-quote="Discerptor" data-source="post: 1349985" data-attributes="member: 12177"><p>Very well, I'll amend 4GB to "over 2GB," since I didn't have a setup with an amount of RAM in between the two test with. That doesn't detract from the fact that Lion's miserable performance on certain machines that <em>ship with it</em> is completely unacceptable or that the required amount of RAM needed for it to run acceptably is higher than that of Snow Leopard.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Given that Lion only has a 3.5-star rating on the Mac App Store and that average has been steadily declining as people have spent more time with it (see the all-version average of 4 stars versus the current version average of 3.5), I somehow doubt Lion's changes are responsible for keeping people buying Macs. I'd say Lion's faults are far from being particular to my specific usage habits as a result. The revamp to the MacBook Pros, a growing economy, the overwhelming success of the iPad, and the fact the last three months included the holiday season seem to point to much more likely reasons for Mac sales.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Mission Control is only overlooked as much as it is because most people don't actually use it, similar to how most people didn't use Exposé. This is because the vast majority of people use their laptops for little more than the web browser.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This is ridiculous. I guess I'll just repost these choice words:</p><p></p><p>You saw that someone new was looking at all the complaints about Lion and decided to try to discredit them by saying the Mac community always whines when Apple changes things - despite the fact everyone here voicing their concerns are doing so after they have had half a year to adjust and Apple has had half a year to refine Lion. Don't try to hide behind not having directly said the exact word that describes what you were trying to accuse us of being for daring to not like every change Apple makes.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I read the review the day it was posted by Ars. Thanks for being condescending. Of course, the issue with a review along those lines is it fails to take the user experience into account because many things that may seem like minor annoyances at the time turn out to become much worse when you have to deal with them every time you use the OS. But Ars never claims to be that kind of review - John is purely technical in his assessment, and I respect that. Unfortunately, that doesn't provide the whole picture.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The difference is that even the first iteration of stacks still maintained the functionality of the old "folder in the dock" way of doing things. It didn't remove anything. I have shared my thoughts on this with Apple. That said, I've also shared my thoughts on how ridiculous it is that OS X still doesn't have native NTFS r/w support and somehow I doubt that's going to change for the foreseeable future. Time will tell on this one: it's hard to say because so few computer users would make use of something like Mission Control or Exposé, as I previously stated.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>10.8? A year or more would be a long time to go without this for some people.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Not much of a trap since I didn't say anything about when Apple made iMovie 6 HD available online. The fact they felt the need to do so preemptively only reinforces the notion that they released iMovie '08 knowing it was half-baked. They did something similar with Quicktime X, but at least QuickTime 7 was an optional install on the Snow Leopard DVD and you never actually had to open the QuickTime 7 Player to access the framework - it happened through the QuickTime X frontend seamlessly. iMovie '08 was lazy, and they should have waited until they were done with it to release. FCP, on the other hand, Apple did not realize was terrible until it got bad press from <em>everywhere</em>.</p><p></p><p>Yes, they resumed selling the old version later (thanks for the link), but a number of studios switched over before that point due to Apple's initial response being <a href="http://forums.creativecow.net/thread/335/4302" target="_blank">less than adequate</a>. Apple cost these people money in making them switch, and they have as a result jeopardized their stake in the professional video editing market. You know you've done something horribly wrong if you have to issue refunds. I don't really take the reviews from people using FCP for the first time very seriously, since the new price-point drew in a lot of so-called "prosumers." Yes, it's fabulous for people that only have iMovie to compare it to. But I can't fathom someone doing this professionally for a big studio choosing it over Adobe's solution or the old Final Cut Studio - it can't even import industry-standard file types properly.</p><p></p><p></p><p>They become aware because of <em>feedback</em>, as you yourself admit - not by magically knowing what's right. That is how the industry works. If everyone just sat on their hands and took it on good faith that Apple would fix things eventually, we'd still be dealing with the old version of Stacks. This is part of why your marginalization of complaining Mac users is particularly offensive.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Elevating yourself above the masses whose hyperbolic language amuses you doesn't come off that well when you describe user complaints as akin to a "Greek tragedy." That said, I see where you're coming from a little better.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Discerptor, post: 1349985, member: 12177"] Very well, I'll amend 4GB to "over 2GB," since I didn't have a setup with an amount of RAM in between the two test with. That doesn't detract from the fact that Lion's miserable performance on certain machines that [i]ship with it[/i] is completely unacceptable or that the required amount of RAM needed for it to run acceptably is higher than that of Snow Leopard. Given that Lion only has a 3.5-star rating on the Mac App Store and that average has been steadily declining as people have spent more time with it (see the all-version average of 4 stars versus the current version average of 3.5), I somehow doubt Lion's changes are responsible for keeping people buying Macs. I'd say Lion's faults are far from being particular to my specific usage habits as a result. The revamp to the MacBook Pros, a growing economy, the overwhelming success of the iPad, and the fact the last three months included the holiday season seem to point to much more likely reasons for Mac sales. Mission Control is only overlooked as much as it is because most people don't actually use it, similar to how most people didn't use Exposé. This is because the vast majority of people use their laptops for little more than the web browser. This is ridiculous. I guess I'll just repost these choice words: You saw that someone new was looking at all the complaints about Lion and decided to try to discredit them by saying the Mac community always whines when Apple changes things - despite the fact everyone here voicing their concerns are doing so after they have had half a year to adjust and Apple has had half a year to refine Lion. Don't try to hide behind not having directly said the exact word that describes what you were trying to accuse us of being for daring to not like every change Apple makes. I read the review the day it was posted by Ars. Thanks for being condescending. Of course, the issue with a review along those lines is it fails to take the user experience into account because many things that may seem like minor annoyances at the time turn out to become much worse when you have to deal with them every time you use the OS. But Ars never claims to be that kind of review - John is purely technical in his assessment, and I respect that. Unfortunately, that doesn't provide the whole picture. The difference is that even the first iteration of stacks still maintained the functionality of the old "folder in the dock" way of doing things. It didn't remove anything. I have shared my thoughts on this with Apple. That said, I've also shared my thoughts on how ridiculous it is that OS X still doesn't have native NTFS r/w support and somehow I doubt that's going to change for the foreseeable future. Time will tell on this one: it's hard to say because so few computer users would make use of something like Mission Control or Exposé, as I previously stated. 10.8? A year or more would be a long time to go without this for some people. Not much of a trap since I didn't say anything about when Apple made iMovie 6 HD available online. The fact they felt the need to do so preemptively only reinforces the notion that they released iMovie '08 knowing it was half-baked. They did something similar with Quicktime X, but at least QuickTime 7 was an optional install on the Snow Leopard DVD and you never actually had to open the QuickTime 7 Player to access the framework - it happened through the QuickTime X frontend seamlessly. iMovie '08 was lazy, and they should have waited until they were done with it to release. FCP, on the other hand, Apple did not realize was terrible until it got bad press from [i]everywhere[/i]. Yes, they resumed selling the old version later (thanks for the link), but a number of studios switched over before that point due to Apple's initial response being [URL="http://forums.creativecow.net/thread/335/4302"]less than adequate[/URL]. Apple cost these people money in making them switch, and they have as a result jeopardized their stake in the professional video editing market. You know you've done something horribly wrong if you have to issue refunds. I don't really take the reviews from people using FCP for the first time very seriously, since the new price-point drew in a lot of so-called "prosumers." Yes, it's fabulous for people that only have iMovie to compare it to. But I can't fathom someone doing this professionally for a big studio choosing it over Adobe's solution or the old Final Cut Studio - it can't even import industry-standard file types properly. They become aware because of [i]feedback[/i], as you yourself admit - not by magically knowing what's right. That is how the industry works. If everyone just sat on their hands and took it on good faith that Apple would fix things eventually, we'd still be dealing with the old version of Stacks. This is part of why your marginalization of complaining Mac users is particularly offensive. Elevating yourself above the masses whose hyperbolic language amuses you doesn't come off that well when you describe user complaints as akin to a "Greek tragedy." That said, I see where you're coming from a little better. [/QUOTE]
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