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Proper way to check voltage rails on removed logic board?
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<blockquote data-quote="Holes Flow" data-source="post: 1850256" data-attributes="member: 404472"><p>Thanks for writing @iggibar. I appreciate the level of detail in your follow-ups. Let me give your questions the detail that they deserve:</p><p></p><p>1. When I took the logic board out, and plugged in the mag safe, because the fan wasn't starting when the logic board was installed, I did not expect it to power up the CPU and heat up the cooling mechanism. And when I mean that the logic board would not spin up in the case, I mean with absolutely no cables plugged into it. I only remove the logic board when it wouldn't power up when in the unibody case, but with nothing plugged into it except the mag safe and the mag safe board.</p><p>By hot, I mean it was hot like the CPU is running and it burned my finger. That kind of hot, which I totally didn't expect, as basically the logic board being out of the case should have behaved the same as the logic board inside the case. When I remove the logic board, I did not keep the fan plugged into it and facing the cooling fins. I see now, that is something I'm going to do in future.</p><p></p><p>2. As for the voltages, here's what I have: PPBUS_G3H is good. PP3V42_G3H is ok. PP5V_S5 is just 0.3v, and PP5V_S3 is 0vdc </p><p>PP5V_S3 to ground is 104 ohms.</p><p></p><p>U7200 after looking at the data sheet is still confusing me as to what the LDO outputs should be. Voltage in is good, but I haven't put my scope on it yet for the outputs. What's weird is that PGood is ok.</p><p></p><p>My initial question was whether it was good enough to have the fan on the logic board and hope it was running when the CPU was powered, or if there was a better trick to having it removed for testing.</p><p></p><p>I was hesitant to give more details because I don't know which forums and subforums are more appropriate for things, and didn't want to make an off topic post.</p><p></p><p>Perhaps I'll just sum up things here with a response to the last part of your post regarding tools. I use Paul's FlexBV, and have a fairly extensive shop. I am new to doing mac logic board repair, but have a civilian and military background and electronics, and own a MSP business that does do break fix.</p><p></p><p>I've been eating up all the videos I can get my hands on, especially those working on this 1278 board. The symptoms were that when the board is installed, green mag light but nothing else. No power on. I took the measurements above, and when I got to the u-7200, I realized that the board was getting extremely hot. It did not have an SSD, or a fan with the logic board. I naively assumed that the board would not power up and I would only have the always on voltage rails to check.</p><p></p><p>This unit was extraordinarily filthy. And I'm talking a few levels above dirty. If this unit will not work while it's in the case, and the CPU is getting hot when it is not, I'm going to put the fan on it next, and see whether or not the fact that it is outside of the case is making it power up.</p><p></p><p>I guess I was looking initially for advice on how to test one of the logic boards out of the case, as I've always seen the dead boards tested without the fans. Just wondering if this was something others have ran into.</p><p></p><p>If, however, anybody can help me with this particular issue my customer has, that would be huge. I've had this unit a week, with only an A few hours to troubleshoot it. I have pictures of when I first got it, and it had so much stuff inside of it that you could not see the circuit board. Always willing to share!</p><p></p><p>Thanks again for your response.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Holes Flow, post: 1850256, member: 404472"] Thanks for writing @iggibar. I appreciate the level of detail in your follow-ups. Let me give your questions the detail that they deserve: 1. When I took the logic board out, and plugged in the mag safe, because the fan wasn't starting when the logic board was installed, I did not expect it to power up the CPU and heat up the cooling mechanism. And when I mean that the logic board would not spin up in the case, I mean with absolutely no cables plugged into it. I only remove the logic board when it wouldn't power up when in the unibody case, but with nothing plugged into it except the mag safe and the mag safe board. By hot, I mean it was hot like the CPU is running and it burned my finger. That kind of hot, which I totally didn't expect, as basically the logic board being out of the case should have behaved the same as the logic board inside the case. When I remove the logic board, I did not keep the fan plugged into it and facing the cooling fins. I see now, that is something I'm going to do in future. 2. As for the voltages, here's what I have: PPBUS_G3H is good. PP3V42_G3H is ok. PP5V_S5 is just 0.3v, and PP5V_S3 is 0vdc PP5V_S3 to ground is 104 ohms. U7200 after looking at the data sheet is still confusing me as to what the LDO outputs should be. Voltage in is good, but I haven't put my scope on it yet for the outputs. What's weird is that PGood is ok. My initial question was whether it was good enough to have the fan on the logic board and hope it was running when the CPU was powered, or if there was a better trick to having it removed for testing. I was hesitant to give more details because I don't know which forums and subforums are more appropriate for things, and didn't want to make an off topic post. Perhaps I'll just sum up things here with a response to the last part of your post regarding tools. I use Paul's FlexBV, and have a fairly extensive shop. I am new to doing mac logic board repair, but have a civilian and military background and electronics, and own a MSP business that does do break fix. I've been eating up all the videos I can get my hands on, especially those working on this 1278 board. The symptoms were that when the board is installed, green mag light but nothing else. No power on. I took the measurements above, and when I got to the u-7200, I realized that the board was getting extremely hot. It did not have an SSD, or a fan with the logic board. I naively assumed that the board would not power up and I would only have the always on voltage rails to check. This unit was extraordinarily filthy. And I'm talking a few levels above dirty. If this unit will not work while it's in the case, and the CPU is getting hot when it is not, I'm going to put the fan on it next, and see whether or not the fact that it is outside of the case is making it power up. I guess I was looking initially for advice on how to test one of the logic boards out of the case, as I've always seen the dead boards tested without the fans. Just wondering if this was something others have ran into. If, however, anybody can help me with this particular issue my customer has, that would be huge. I've had this unit a week, with only an A few hours to troubleshoot it. I have pictures of when I first got it, and it had so much stuff inside of it that you could not see the circuit board. Always willing to share! Thanks again for your response. [/QUOTE]
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