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<blockquote data-quote="MacInWin" data-source="post: 1902486" data-attributes="member: 396914">Yeah, even Apple is struggling with the terminology these days. Decades of &quot;volume&quot; meaning one thing and then they change the definition. I sort of get it, given that for the average user who never dives into the inner workings, what appears on the desktop as Macintosh HD looks and feels just like the volumes they have always used. It becomes a problem when a novice opens Disk Utility and sees the sausage being made that things can get hairy. We had one person here who kept reinstalling to what he saw in Disk Utility as &quot;Macintosh HD&quot; and created a whole set of &quot;Macintosh HD - Data&quot; volumes, none of which had his data. As I recall, he had deleted he first &quot;Macintosh HD - Data&quot; because he thought it was junk, which deleted all of his own stuff. He came here because he saw the Data volume being created over and over, but couldn't find his data. We got it sorted out and got him back from his backups, but it was dicey for a while.As we move more into Apple Silicon and things get even more convoluted, I think the terms are going to get weird. In an M1 Mac, for example, there is no &quot;SSD&quot; as such, just storage that is shared with the OS, internals, and the /User folder. So, if there is no &quot;drive&quot; except as the OS defines it in software, do we need new language?&nbsp; I think that is what Apple intended with the idea of &quot;Container&quot; and &quot;Volume.&quot; On an M1 Mac, I don't think you can &quot;partition&quot; the storage, although Disk Utility still shows that as an option to support externals and older systems with an actual hardware drive. You can create new Containers and then Volumes in those Containers, but I think the concept of &quot;partition&quot; is going to go away for internal storage on Apple Silicon. If I were more adventurous, it would be an interesting experiment to build a bootable external drive, boot my MBP from that and see if I can partition the internal storage on the Mac. I'm not going to try that for a couple of reasons: 1) It could totally bork up my MBP to the point of needing to go back to Apple and 2) from what I know of the boot process on M1 Macs and Monterey, that other partition can't be used to boot, just storage, so the logic of having two partitions in the storage on an M1 Mac just doesn't make any sense. Ah, well, isn't change interesting!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="MacInWin, post: 1902486, member: 396914"] Yeah, even Apple is struggling with the terminology these days. Decades of "volume" meaning one thing and then they change the definition. I sort of get it, given that for the average user who never dives into the inner workings, what appears on the desktop as Macintosh HD looks and feels just like the volumes they have always used. It becomes a problem when a novice opens Disk Utility and sees the sausage being made that things can get hairy. We had one person here who kept reinstalling to what he saw in Disk Utility as "Macintosh HD" and created a whole set of "Macintosh HD - Data" volumes, none of which had his data. As I recall, he had deleted he first "Macintosh HD - Data" because he thought it was junk, which deleted all of his own stuff. He came here because he saw the Data volume being created over and over, but couldn't find his data. We got it sorted out and got him back from his backups, but it was dicey for a while. As we move more into Apple Silicon and things get even more convoluted, I think the terms are going to get weird. In an M1 Mac, for example, there is no "SSD" as such, just storage that is shared with the OS, internals, and the /User folder. So, if there is no "drive" except as the OS defines it in software, do we need new language? I think that is what Apple intended with the idea of "Container" and "Volume." On an M1 Mac, I don't think you can "partition" the storage, although Disk Utility still shows that as an option to support externals and older systems with an actual hardware drive. You can create new Containers and then Volumes in those Containers, but I think the concept of "partition" is going to go away for internal storage on Apple Silicon. If I were more adventurous, it would be an interesting experiment to build a bootable external drive, boot my MBP from that and see if I can partition the internal storage on the Mac. I'm not going to try that for a couple of reasons: 1) It could totally bork up my MBP to the point of needing to go back to Apple and 2) from what I know of the boot process on M1 Macs and Monterey, that other partition can't be used to boot, just storage, so the logic of having two partitions in the storage on an M1 Mac just doesn't make any sense. Ah, well, isn't change interesting! [/QUOTE]

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