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Message: <blockquote data-quote="johnodd4" data-source="post: 1604276" data-attributes="member: 331386">i have had to deal with both of these mothers and they are smart little suckers.let me explain:there not a plugin usually both of these malware programs write to the unix executable of your browser you pretty much have to reinstall safari firefox and even chrome which sucks or you can do a backup of your files manually not with time machine or you transfer the malware back and reinstall the o.s it gets rid of it as well</blockquote>