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<blockquote data-quote="MacInWin" data-source="post: 1926899" data-attributes="member: 396914"><p>Not how science works. It is axiomatic that one cannot prove a negative. That's not how science works at all. Your theory is that IoT represents a threat. You provided two old articles about it. But, can you name one instance where an IoT device was the vector to hack into a computer? A Network? All it takes is one case of a Mac being hacked by a refrigerator to disprove my assertion that it is not a real risk.</p><p></p><p>The only IoT hacks I have seen (about gaining access to a security camera images) required access to information about the network that simple, reasonable, practices would eliminate--robust passwords on the network access, computers, and any device that logs into the network with account name/password authority--plus physical access to the facility with the cameras. IoT devices generally don't have that kind of vulnerability. They just use the WiFi as transport for the various control signals. I've never logged into any of my wall switches in HomeKit.</p><p></p><p>Home locks, thermostats, etc, might be hackable to allow a bad actor to change the temperature, or gain access to the home, but according to this, taken from your article, the attacker first has to have access to your own system:</p><p></p><p>and later:</p><p></p><p>Finally, in the articles the only "threat" from these IoT attacks is the possibility that the device can be hacked to be bricked, or to serve as a bot for denial of service attacks, or maybe used for crypto-mining. Nothing about being able to penetrate your home computer systems.</p><p></p><p>Basically, the recommendation of those two articles was to change passwords from the defaults on any device with passwords. That is good advice, and I have strong passwords on everything. You should, too. But the articles don't make a very strong argument for having a separate network of IoT. In fact, they make a not-bad case for just sharing. The fewer networks you have the less likely it is that your home will be invaded by bad software.</p><p></p><p>But, as I said, I cannot prove a negative. But can you prove a positive? If I said to you, "Your house has a ghost living in it," can you prove it does not? No matter what you offer as proof, I can say "Oh, you just missed it" or "Oh, it's over there," or "You didn't test properly," and you are stymied. But, if you turn that around and say to me, "Prove it, show me the ghost," and I cannot, then I am exposed and proven wrong, which means there is no ghost. So, rather than having me play wack-a-mole to assert the risk is low, show me a case where it happened.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MacInWin, post: 1926899, member: 396914"] Not how science works. It is axiomatic that one cannot prove a negative. That's not how science works at all. Your theory is that IoT represents a threat. You provided two old articles about it. But, can you name one instance where an IoT device was the vector to hack into a computer? A Network? All it takes is one case of a Mac being hacked by a refrigerator to disprove my assertion that it is not a real risk. The only IoT hacks I have seen (about gaining access to a security camera images) required access to information about the network that simple, reasonable, practices would eliminate--robust passwords on the network access, computers, and any device that logs into the network with account name/password authority--plus physical access to the facility with the cameras. IoT devices generally don't have that kind of vulnerability. They just use the WiFi as transport for the various control signals. I've never logged into any of my wall switches in HomeKit. Home locks, thermostats, etc, might be hackable to allow a bad actor to change the temperature, or gain access to the home, but according to this, taken from your article, the attacker first has to have access to your own system: and later: Finally, in the articles the only "threat" from these IoT attacks is the possibility that the device can be hacked to be bricked, or to serve as a bot for denial of service attacks, or maybe used for crypto-mining. Nothing about being able to penetrate your home computer systems. Basically, the recommendation of those two articles was to change passwords from the defaults on any device with passwords. That is good advice, and I have strong passwords on everything. You should, too. But the articles don't make a very strong argument for having a separate network of IoT. In fact, they make a not-bad case for just sharing. The fewer networks you have the less likely it is that your home will be invaded by bad software. But, as I said, I cannot prove a negative. But can you prove a positive? If I said to you, "Your house has a ghost living in it," can you prove it does not? No matter what you offer as proof, I can say "Oh, you just missed it" or "Oh, it's over there," or "You didn't test properly," and you are stymied. But, if you turn that around and say to me, "Prove it, show me the ghost," and I cannot, then I am exposed and proven wrong, which means there is no ghost. So, rather than having me play wack-a-mole to assert the risk is low, show me a case where it happened. [/QUOTE]
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