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<blockquote data-quote="MacInWin" data-source="post: 1899264" data-attributes="member: 396914"><p>Randy, I would expand that to be having ANY backup is vital if your data and work are important! I agree the issue with clones is not that critical, but it is important to recognize the way a clone might be used is different now. I have both TM backups and clone backups of my M1 Mac and plan to keep doing that. I just plan to use the clone differently than before. Clones are useful, just in a different way. Now, if Apple can figure out how to separate the storage from the rest of the SoC (assuming they even want to do that), a bootable clone could go back to being the "emergency" system again like it was in the Intel days.</p><p></p><p>I think the developers of cloners may have to shift how they market their products before M1 failures start to happen and people are surprised that what they thought they had isn't what they really DO have. Maybe they can show a scenario like you suggested, where if a Mx Mac has a hardware failure, they can take the clone to another Mac, go through the change of boot drive (and owner), and then show that the clone will allow them to get back to work quickly. </p><p></p><p>In thinking about your scenario of taking the clone to another Mac and booting it there to get going again, I'm not sure of the relative value of doing that. In the Mx Mac, the interfaces are fast so that if you DO have a spare Mac, the Migration from the backup to the spare might be nearly as quick as the time it would take to set up the external as the boot drive and boot from it. I guess it would depend on the amount of data that would need to be migrated and the performance hit that comes from being booted from an external as opposed to the speed of the integrated storage. Plus the criticality of the work that may have been interrupted by the failure. Given that a dead Mx Mac requires a significant amount of work to get going again (much more than a drive swap used to take), it may end up just being better to use the spare Mac to replace the dead one and then let Apple repair the dead one (or just write it off and get a new replacement). Institutions with a large number of Mac users are going to have to think about how to support Mx Macs!</p><p></p><p>Ain't progress fun!?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MacInWin, post: 1899264, member: 396914"] Randy, I would expand that to be having ANY backup is vital if your data and work are important! I agree the issue with clones is not that critical, but it is important to recognize the way a clone might be used is different now. I have both TM backups and clone backups of my M1 Mac and plan to keep doing that. I just plan to use the clone differently than before. Clones are useful, just in a different way. Now, if Apple can figure out how to separate the storage from the rest of the SoC (assuming they even want to do that), a bootable clone could go back to being the "emergency" system again like it was in the Intel days. I think the developers of cloners may have to shift how they market their products before M1 failures start to happen and people are surprised that what they thought they had isn't what they really DO have. Maybe they can show a scenario like you suggested, where if a Mx Mac has a hardware failure, they can take the clone to another Mac, go through the change of boot drive (and owner), and then show that the clone will allow them to get back to work quickly. In thinking about your scenario of taking the clone to another Mac and booting it there to get going again, I'm not sure of the relative value of doing that. In the Mx Mac, the interfaces are fast so that if you DO have a spare Mac, the Migration from the backup to the spare might be nearly as quick as the time it would take to set up the external as the boot drive and boot from it. I guess it would depend on the amount of data that would need to be migrated and the performance hit that comes from being booted from an external as opposed to the speed of the integrated storage. Plus the criticality of the work that may have been interrupted by the failure. Given that a dead Mx Mac requires a significant amount of work to get going again (much more than a drive swap used to take), it may end up just being better to use the spare Mac to replace the dead one and then let Apple repair the dead one (or just write it off and get a new replacement). Institutions with a large number of Mac users are going to have to think about how to support Mx Macs! Ain't progress fun!? [/QUOTE]
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