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Message: <blockquote data-quote="lzasitko" data-source="post: 23508">read the post againDid you read the post? He said that in his case most of the damage comes from student abuse. He said nothing else. I would tend to think in his case he is right, when people do not own or pay for something they treat it like garbage, they just don't care. I worked for years in mining and the same was true there only on a much larger monetary scale. The drivers of the vehicles (sometimes $1,000,000 plus and instead of using the brakes they would simply run them into stone walls. Now granted I am not talking about your mothers car or anything like that, these are made for the most part of 1" plate steel so they will take some abuse but still. We have had people run them out of oil and keep on going, even though there is an alarm and lights, they just ignore it, after all it is not theirs!Larry</blockquote>