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Nice to see it, :) theres another nice site like that..

Link to this forum here i think alot of you mist this when it was first posted.
 
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Alright, i only read like the first 3 posts... so if someone already said this... then ignore me...
the Opteron computers that are faster than G5's are WORKSTATIONS. Apple says it is the fastest PERSONAL computer. It's not a workstation... it's a desktop.
And there ya go.
 
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Mac dude said:
Alright, i only read like the firstr 3 posts... so if someone already said this... then ignore me...
the Opteron computers that are faster than G5's are WORKSTATIONS. Apple saYs it is the fastest PERSONAL computer. It's not a workstation... it's a desktop.
And there ya go.
It's been touched on, but nice clarification. I promised I would stay out of this further, but I did find one interesting thing that basically is an end-all for this thread.

tp://www.applelust.com/oped/amc/archives/amc030718.shtml (outdated link removed)

I just found it on macbytes, its a very good, long read.
 
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With all this said, this is what i think.

Apple computers are for people who are style consciouse, and task orientated. The G5 is a wonderful piece of technology... that certainly performs well against Wintel solutions. But with that said, the lead is marginal - with AMD's Athlon 64 FX about to be released at 2Ghz this month ending, and solutions from Chipset manufacturers like VIA, Asus, NVIDIA, Samsung etc. The lead will be greatly short lived.

The Problem with Apples, before the the G4 line was the fact that they were expensive to upgrade with extremely limited hardware support.

The G4 has changed that... and the introduction of the G5 acrhitecture has taken given Apple a significant speed boost that is now comparable with todays PC technology.

BUT just how scaleable is the G5?

We all heard the G5 will ramp up to 3Ghz Q4 2004, but by then the PC architectures will be using 4Ghz and maybe even 5Ghz CPU's with 64-bit technology. [ Have you heard of
Yamhill? :confused: ]

And what about AMD's solutions for the PC line?
[ Hypertransport can be seen in the technical specifications of the G5 but AMD is nowhere mentioned ]

Also, the fact that Windows based computers are more open to attacks, due to it's substantial market share and populairty [ yes popularity due to it's massive driver and developer support ] - wouldn't Apple also suffer from this - if positions were reversed?

The way i've seen it in this forum here today, i've seen many biast arguments on MAC and Windows fans sites, and this is what i think...

Anyone can buy a PC for as little as $400, but with Apple - your looking at $$. Furthermore, Apple's support for it's own products are extremely limited [ OS9 etc ] and depend on developers like M$ for office productivity software...

Why do Apple users even bother using Windows emulators if the reason they switched from PC to MAC was for the 'experience' as some of them claim?

I think PC's are wonderful technology... and the pace at which they develop is far more staggering than MAC's - i guess thats why Apple adopted some PC architecture with the introduction of G4 and G5. Also, if i wanted to play the latest computer game like Half Life 2, Doom 3 or Duke Nukem Forever - i wouldn't be waiting Forever on the PC.

Just why do most developers produce applications for the PC if the MAC is so superior? I must admit Windows XP is a rip-off of the OS-X GUI, but it holds it's own by staying traditional and familiar.

But i'm sure your all aware that Longhorn won't be just a simple tweak of the Windows O/S. Were going to see some major changes with Longhorn, and it might just be Apple ripping off windows 3D interface when it come's to release [ although i wouldn't hold my breath as it wouldn't be so obviouse ]

I'm a PC user, and always have been... but i can see myself switching to a G5 solution very soon now. NOT because i am unhappy with my PC's - but because they have grown more than simple tools for word processing etc... to highly distracting environments with soo many functions.

I am making my switch to Apple G5 because, i believe that is where i can be more productive without the constant security updates, games and chat clients taking me astray from my work.

Why the G5?

Because switching to a G4 solution would feel, just too slow ;)
 
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I will respond to some of what you say since the other points, either I do not know enough about it to respond, or I agree.. you pick which :)

Xer0 said:
with AMD's Athlon 64 FX about to be released at 2Ghz this month ending, and solutions from Chipset manufacturers like VIA, Asus, NVIDIA, Samsung etc. The lead will be greatly short lived.

Of course.. this is the way of the Personal Coputer industry.. but it is nice to have the lead for awhile.. :)

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We all heard the G5 will ramp up to 3Ghz Q4 2004, but by then the PC architectures will be using 4Ghz and maybe even 5Ghz CPU's with 64-bit technology. [ Have you heard of
Yamhill? :confused: ]

I am quite curious as to whether or not the Ghz battle is still the same one as that has been going on for years.. as in.. that between the two processors a 2Ghz Mac is a whole lot faster than a 2Ggz PC due to architecture differences..

Xer0 said:
Also, the fact that Windows based computers are more open to attacks, due to it's substantial market share and populairty [ yes popularity due to it's massive driver and developer support ] - wouldn't Apple also suffer from this - if positions were reversed?

Yes, but I also think that due to the mac's backbone, which is, correct me if I am wrong, the most secure *nix out there. They are much better and updating any vulnerabilities, etc etc.. but yes indeed Macs would have more hacking attempts, more viruses, etc etc..

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Anyone can buy a PC for as little as $400, but with Apple - your looking at $$. Furthermore, Apple's support for it's own products are extremely limited [ OS9 etc ] and depend on developers like M$ for office productivity software...

Microsoft does not support it's older OS's either.. plus they keep changing what is under the hood, and will continue to do so thus causing serious problems with upgrading. Same as when Apple changed to OS X, although they did supply Classic which was a very user friendly touch. And no there are many applications out there that we can use instead of M$ products.. Many people just choose to use M$ products because either that's what they know or that's what the PC's use that they share files with.. interoperability... There are also converters out there that can convert to Office files, but it adds another step.. and you know.. most computer users are just too lazy :)

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Why do Apple users even bother using Windows emulators if the reason they switched from PC to MAC was for the 'experience' as some of them claim?

For a couple of reasons.. 1) they have a hard time getting away from the PC completely.. humans have a tendency to grow fond of things that they know.. even if it is bad for them.. they know it.. it fills familiar so they continue doing/using/eating etc whatever it is. 2) sometimes there are programs on the PC that are not on the Mac so they want to have the option to be able to use it. 3) The most important.. is that even though there are quite a few PC users out there that would love to use some of the Mac software.. they just do not have that option.. well us Mac users.. we do have that option.. with one computer we can get the Mac experience.. we can get the *nix experience.. we can get the PC experience.. Why not then?

I am not an advocate for narrow mindedness.. explore, research, decide for yourself what you like better, what works for you, etc.. do not bash a computer platform, a person, a government etc if that is all you know.. PC's have some great options. they are cheaper.. there are many good things, but if you are a mac user and that's all you know, and even if you don't, keep your mind open and experience life/computers/people with an open mind and you'll see benefits to all of them.. do not close your mind just because it's not what you know. When I say 'you', 'your' etc I do not mean you personally I mean anyone, everyone.. myself included. I find myself putting down PC's etc just because I love my mac, because I love the experience, but they are tools and just like food.. we all have different requirements, desires etc.. what is best for me might not be best for the next person..

Xer0 said:
I think PC's are wonderful technology... and the pace at which they develop is far more staggering than MAC's - i guess thats why Apple adopted some PC architecture with the introduction of G4 and G5. Also, if i wanted to play the latest computer game like Half Life 2, Doom 3 or Duke Nukem Forever - i wouldn't be waiting Forever on the PC.

If I was a game developer I would want to make money.. just like every person out there.. one way of doing that is creating a product that people would want to purchase.. now would I create for the mac which has something like 2% of the market or create for the PC which has something like 95% of the market? it's pretty obvious.. It has nothing to do with the OS at all.. the reason we are seeing a lot of these games coming to the Mac is because they developer see some huge potential.. maybe not in the users, but in the architecture.. they have more to work with and would love to try it out and see how it does.. the Mac is most definitely a gaming machine.. it's just going to take time and market share to really influence companies who are out to make some money.

Xer0 said:
Just why do most developers produce applications for the PC if the MAC is so superior? I must admit Windows XP is a rip-off of the OS-X GUI, but it holds it's own by staying traditional and familiar.

Your answer is above.

Xer0 said:
But i'm sure your all aware that Longhorn won't be just a simple tweak of the Windows O/S. Were going to see some major changes with Longhorn, and it might just be Apple ripping off windows 3D interface when it come's to release [ although i wouldn't hold my breath as it wouldn't be so obviouse ]

I am really not sure on this one.. I've read so many things that I am beginning to wonder if they really even have anything to show at this point.. or if they are even working on it! It's shrouded in mystery.. and I hope, for the PC users sake, that the "awesomeness" of longhorn is not just a bunch of smoke and mirrors.. it'll be interesting to see where the Mac OS will be by the time Longhorn comes out.. Is it still slated for 2005?

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I am making my switch to Apple G5 because, i believe that is where i can be more productive without the constant security updates, games and chat clients taking me astray from my work.

Amen to that! :) Although.. there are a lot of games and chat clients for the mac.. watch out! :)

Anyways I appreciate your insight.. I was a PC user way before I was a mac user.. and then I went to Classic, but it couldnt do everything I needed so I had to use both a PC and the Classic Mac to accomplish my goals. Once OS X came out.. I was able to completely leave the PC and have not looked back since. I have friends and family who use PC's and they are constantly having problems.. crashing, hardware problems, etc etc and Im always trying to help get them out of whatever problem they are having this week.. since hey I know a decent amount about PC's and can help them. But at the end.. I usually say.. you should get a Mac.. you wouldnt have those problems.. and they wouldnt either.. they might have other ones though. Because who can account for what a newbie can do to a system :)

Thanks again for your insight and I would love to hear how your experience with the G5 goes after you've had it for a couple of months. I wonder how the new OS is doing also.. whether they have lots of bug fixes or if it runs like a well-oiled machine..

Cheers!
 
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Murlyn: Your reply was not what i expected. I found it very thoughtful and intelligent ;)

As for Longhorn, M$ will soon begin giving away raw code for the O/S at their next developers conference. It's still slated for 2005 [maybe sooner] And yes, there is a lot of secrecy surrounding the GUI as i'm sure they are researching ways to make that 3D element useful.

You will find leaks of the Longhorn GUI - but M$ isn't that stupid to reveal the actual GUI so early in it's development. [ With that said, i wouldn't be surprised if we see a true representation next year ]

Thanks for taking the time out to reply.

I can't wait for my dual 2Ghz G5! :D And OS-X, what a sexy beast!
 
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Man....My first post here in this forum :p and I must say after reading all those posts MY EYES AND HEAD HURTS! ;)
All good points & good replies, I too sometimes get on my wife's PC (while in my bubble suit) to fix problems. But I also think that a OS is a preference of the user. Me I grew up on Macs so I feel comfortable on them, where a long time PC user will not.

All in all I think Steve is doing a great job with Apple and the G5 is a computer in the right direction

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What ever who cares if pc's are a lot faster. Guess what I bet you get viruses ans spyware everyday. I dont! :D The thing about macs is the over alittle of everything. Preformance, Reliability, Sexy, Quite, Dosent need constant repaires, AND dosent get Adware, Spyware, Viruses. SO while you may win in benchmarks all of the rest of us win in just about everything else! :D
 
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Apple Lies / MS lies/ Intel Lies / AMD Lies/ ATi Lies/ NVIDIA Lies/ IBM Lies

they all lie at some point because the bottom line they want your $$$$. - Marketing people are just like lawyers! anything to get the big payoff.

you can find as many articles to support Apple or PC they all go both way and until you have one of each in your hand i would suggest taking them ALL with a grain of salt.

OS X makes a beautiful server without all the viruses, etc etc It has FreeBSD as the core which is the most secure *nix you can get practically. Go ahead and visit any of the virus sites... and take a look and see what platforms they all target.. what servers they target.. etc etc it's all targeted towards pc's and MS server software.

Of course a hacker is going to target %90 of the market and not %10... hackers want to do as much damage as possible, not as little and it IS a fact that if FreeBSD / OS X etc became as popular as Windows, they would all be as bug / virus ridden as windows is now, i beleive last year Linux had more security holes then MS did? and now Mozilla is a target for all hackers because it has be come such a used browser.

Funny thing is i run a network of XP/ 2003 computers and i have yet to get one virus / spyware on any of them - your O/S is only as good as the person using it - Windows cant precent human stupidity.
 
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Yep and microshaft lies about little things like that for sales desperation -Very old thread BTW
 
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And apple lies about marketing as well, so does Linux and msot companies in the world.

With that link - what are you refering to MS lying about? it is a virus - yes windows gets linux - yes windows can claim they are secure IF you take care of your computer....
 
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I don't work for IBM, at all! Yay?! My friend back home does. He still has two years left in college, and is making like $12/hr there...it might be more actually, I don't remember.
 

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