Connecting Macintosh LCII to the home network

[Papalapa]

I'm trying to connect my Macintosh LCII to the ethernet home network but I do not know how.

It has a Farallon Ethernet network card installed and I also installed the Open Transport 1.3 software. I connected an RJ45 ethernet cable from the Mac to the router but this one do not "sees" the Mac. On the cabled connections monitor of the router the Mac is not shown although the cable is good and the light on the back of the network card of the Mac is turned on. I also ran the Diagnostic Farallon program and is shows OK in all the fields so, it seems that both, cable and network card are correctly working.

The configuration on the TCP/IP extension panel in the Mac was initally set "IP direction assigned by DHCP" but later I manually entered the IP, gateway, DNS, etc.. unsuccesfully.

Then I tried to connected the Macintosh to my iMac sharing Internet instead of use the router but I have had the same problem, the iMac doesn't sees the Mac. Trying to use AppleTalk instead of TCP/IP I discovered that AppleTalk support was removed from MacOS 10.6 and my old iMac has Snow Leopard 10.6.8, so bad luck

What can I do to connect the Macintosh LCII to the router or even to the iMac?

Thank you!

 

[pigoo3]

To begin with...you do realize that your Macintosh LC II is a 1992 computer (26 years old)...and there could quite possibily be some serious hardware & software hurdles to overcome?

Is there something specific you need to do between the computers that maybe we can find a different solution other than networking?

- Nick

 

[pm-r]

As Nick implied, you are going to have a lot of problems trying to get the LC II to communicate with the outside world through a modern router and even the Mac running Snow Leopard, especially considering the software differences and even the security levels in use with the later OS X Versions.

You may possibly have success using an ethernet crossover or gaming table between the two Macs and invoke filesharing and any other sharing that's available.

I didn't realize the LC II had an ethernet card which you might be able to use with a crossover cable to get your Image file transferred that you mentioned in your other post between the two Macs using File Sharing:
https://www.mac-forums.com/macos-operating-system/347785-intalling-macos-7-5-3-macintosh-lc-ii.html

Man, you are getting this old seniors Brain to work too hard and think too far back into OS 7 and an LCD II. Buy may still actually have mine in the basement, but I haven't been down there for quite some time. It keep some of my other old Macs company down there, and yes all still working the last time I tried them, but that was quite a while ago now.

Again as Nick said, is there something specific you want or need to do with them or is it just a challenge?







- Patrick
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[Slydude]

The Farallon adapter was an aftermarket network adapter. I don't remember if it required a driver or not.

 

[Papalapa]

To begin with...you do realize that your Macintosh LC II is a 1992 computer (26 years old)...and there could quite possibily be some serious hardware & software hurdles to overcome?

Is there something specific you need to do between the computers that maybe we can find a different solution other than networking?

- Nick

Yeah, I perfectlly know that is a quite old computer and that's why is exciting to try to do some things like network connections. On the other hand if the Mac has a network card means that should be able to connect to a network I guess. This is a "computer toy" for me because if I need to do something with a Mac I use my iMac and there are also other 4 PCs at home.

The main purpose of connect the Mac to the local network is to get files that doesn’t fit on a 1.44MB floppy disks due this is the only way that I can “feed” the Mac with some software. Once connected I can get files using FTP, HTTP, or even through shared folders in other computers of the local network through TCP/IP.

Also, it should be great to browse Internet with the iCab or Netscape 1.0 like 25 years ago even if most of webpages will not load...

 

[Papalapa]

You may possibly have success using an ethernet crossover or gaming table between the two Macs and invoke filesharing and any other sharing that's available.
I didn't realize the LC II had an ethernet card which you might be able to use with a crossover cable to get your Image file transferred that you mentioned in your other post between the two Macs using File Sharing

Hey, you said crossover cable? I have done the test using a NOT crossed cable because I read that was not necessary on Macs, only on PCs ¿?¿? Maybe that's the way, I'll try again. Thank you!

Man, you are getting this old seniors Brain to work too hard and think too far back into OS 7 and an LCD II. Buy may still actually have mine in the basement, but I haven't been down there for quite some time. It keep some of my other old Macs company down there, and yes all still working the last time I tried them, but that was quite a while ago now.

Again as Nick said, is there something specific you want or need to do with them or is it just a challenge?

As I answered to Nick the main reason is to get files more than 1.44MB to install some software on the Mac, but in fact is a challenge because I do not need the Mac for an specific job.

 

[Papalapa]

The Farallon adapter was an aftermarket network adapter. I don't remember if it required a driver or not.

Yes, a driver is necessary and was already installed. I purchased the card on eBay and the vendor provided brand-new card with original floppy driver (only 11$)

 

[pm-r]

Hey, you said crossover cable? I have done the test using a NOT crossed cable because I read that was not necessary on Macs, only on PCs ¿?¿? Maybe that's the way, I'll try again. Thank you!

The crossover (gaming) cable would only be used to connect to another Mac for File Sharing etc.
The Ethernet connections on Macs only became auto-sensing with later models, but I'm not sure of the model change/date.

And as for older security and passwords, AFAIK the more recent versions will not work and I think Apple removed most of the much older security protocols.

PS: Be aware if you ever need a SCSI replacement that would work, they are usually quite hard to come by, at least in these parts and as new. Just saying… but they also tended to last a lot longer than the drives of today do…








- Patrick
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[Papalapa]

The crossover (gaming) cable would only be used to connect to another Mac for File Sharing etc.
The Ethernet connections on Macs only became auto-sensing with later models, but I'm not sure of the model change/date.

And as for older security and passwords, AFAIK the more recent versions will not work and I think Apple removed most of the much older security protocols.

PS: Be aware if you ever need a SCSI replacement that would work, they are usually quite hard to come by, at least in these parts and as new. Just saying… but they also tended to last a lot longer than the drives of today do…

As both machines are old (Macintosh LCII and iMac A1195) most probably they need a crossed Ethernet cable. I'll see what happens with the security matters... I do not intend to use the SCSI output, I was thinking to do this using the ethernet cable because the iMac has not SCSI connector.

First step will be install MacOS 7.1, Open Transport 1.1 and then the garbage-in-garbage-out will start...

 

[pm-r]

First step will be install MacOS 7.1, Open Transport 1.1 and then the garbage-in-garbage-out will start...

See the info I posted in your other post:
https://www.mac-forums.com/macos-op...-macos-7-5-3-macintosh-lc-ii.html#post1802761

I came across the following software you may be able to use, but you may already have access to it:
Vintage Mac Software Library
MacFixer Vintage Software Library

Various install options seem to be available.
No sign of a separate Spanish Version that I could see if it was even available.

Hopefully there might be some useful stuff there that you can use.

Good luck.





- Patrick
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[Papalapa]

Well, after some tests and have reinstalled MacOS 7.5 the problem remains and I'm not able to connect the Macintosh LCII.

As it seems that is impossible to connect the Mac to the router I only want to share files between the Mac and the iMac. To do this I connected a crossed Ethernet cable between both machines (no autosens so is not possible to use a pin-to-pin cable) using the Eternet ports. I installed TCP/IP on the Mac and configured the IPs manually on both machines but I do not succed. I have shared folders in both machines and I try to gain access from the other machine but is not possible.

Here are some screen captures of the configurations and maybe some of you can see what are I'm doing wrong..
(Both SOs are in Spanish, sorry)


iMac

Macintosh LCII

 

[Slydude]

What messages, if any, do you get when you try to connect to the second machine. The last time I had to do this I thinkI set up a new location (Ubicacion) and made the nessacary changes to the ehternet settins. When I needed to transfer files I choose that new location on both machines.

There is probably an easy solution to your problem but it has been a long time since I used that OS.

 

[pm-r]

What does your "File Sharing" Control Panel say about sharing with another Mac?

I thought it would give the settings needed. But it's been a long time for this old senior's brain.


But how about this for some help:
Macs Sharing Files with Other Macs, Old or New
Macs Sharing Files with Other Macs, Old or New | Low End Mac

Or some other hits from here might help:
https://www.google.com/search?safe=...qIbeAhUeIDQIHeSsA68QBQgqKAA&biw=1391&bih=1229







- Patrick
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[Papalapa]

Well, finally and after lots of tests, in the Apple Support forum they confirmed me that I will never be able to connect both machines due the different SOs and network protocols.

What I have done is reinstall the System 7.5 with Open Transport 1.3, turn off the AppleTalk and files sharing on the Mac and in this way the connection with the router was success. Even the router assigns the IP through DHCP instead to have to set the IP of the Mac manually.

Next step will be install Fetch on the Mac and any FTP server on the iMac or PC and see if we can finally get and send files by FTP.

 

[pm-r]

Next step will be install Fetch on the Mac and any FTP server on the iMac or PC and see if we can finally get and send files by FTP.

I certainly hope it will work for you and was quite surprised to read what that said about it at their site:

FETCH 4.0.3
Compatible with Mac OS X 10.0 to 10.3.9; or any version of Mac OS 9, Mac OS 8 and System 7.

Download Fetch

What I have done is reinstall the System 7.5 with Open Transport 1.3, turn off the AppleTalk and files sharing on the Mac and in this way the connection with the router was success.

I didn't think they had to be disabled from what I can recall, but I will admit my old brain is a bit fuzzy these days on old Mac networking technology.

Good luck with your project.





- Patrick
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[Papalapa]

Well, finally I get it. Connecting the Macintosh to the PC using FTP wasn't possible and I do not know why. I tried to open ports in the router, creating exception rules in the firewall and antivirus but the Fecth on the Macintosh never connected to the Filezilla server on the PC. The ping was correct in both directions.

What I have done is to connect the Macintosh to the iMac through the router (instead of directly) and to use FTP for file transfer. Curious thing is that to activate the FTP server on the iMac is necessary to open the terminal and send commands. I think that in versions lower than Snow Leopard there was a button on the Share menu, but it doesn't matter, it works and is enough for me.

Now I can copy files more than 1.44MB to the Macintosh LCII and I'm happy.

 

[ferrarr]

When did NTFS come into being? Did Mac OS 9 work with NTFS?

 

[pm-r]

Now I can copy files more than 1.44MB to the Macintosh LCII and I'm happy.

Well done and congratulations!

Sometimes it's just a matter of finding and using something that actually works. Unfortunately, that often entails quite a few cursing and swearing words with older System Macs.





- Patrick
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