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Message: <blockquote data-quote="MBAmtloin" data-source="post: 1839779">macinWin: thanks for your reply, the people like you seem nice and have a deep devotion towards their computers and other apple products and will take the time out to help those who are lost and confused, which is excellent!to answer your question, the older OSXs were always available, now they are not, even when customer paid for the OSX like lion or mt lion.last weekend i tried upgrading to High Sierra that is stored on my external HD and then El Captain, the full version which also did not work.Lucky for me i am not a novice and somehow knows how to work around these apple road blocks that were clear paths years ago, but could not last weekend.seems to me that all this thinking and restricting what their users need is not computing, that is control.that is why i am here, trying to help those apple will not anymore</blockquote>