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Please tell us what other electronic devices you've seen that are truly waterproof and oh also ANYTHING out there that doesn't break when dropped

So if I find another product that is already doing what I request, then Apple will be able to copy it and produce it?

That sounds about like Apple's business model. Shame on me for expecting them to be the least bit innovative.

Bottom line, until they address these two key issues, the rest are all gimmicks.

Mobile Phone:
- make calls
- text
- gps
- camera
- mp3 player
- web browse
- calculator
- durable

That's all that matter. And Apple is still ignoring two of those key components while focusing on gimmicks like "force touch" and creating industries with contactless payment.

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So if I find another product that is already doing what I request, then Apple will be able to copy it and produce it?

How many other mainstream cellphones are both water-proof and break/drop proof?

Remember…I said "mainstream". Not some super-rugged, out-doorsy, military grade product.

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How many other mainstream cellphones are both water-proof and break/drop proof?

Remember…I said "mainstream". Not some super-rugged, out-doorsy, military grade product.

- Nick


Show me a single "mainstream" cell phone that has force-touch. There isnt one. But Apple went and invented it right? So why not invent something that we've actually needed since the dawn of the iPhone... a screen that doesnt crack every time the wind picks up and waterproof. Those are pretty obvious needs. Ive never heard anyone complain that their phone didnt have force touch.
 
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This is the second time I've had to edit one of your posts in this thread. The first for disguised language and this last one for insulting remarks. Let's keep the discussion on a nice polite level and keep the politics or whatever else out of it.
 
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Show me a single "mainstream" cell phone that has force-touch. There isnt one. But Apple went and invented it right? So why not invent something that we've actually needed since the dawn of the iPhone... a screen that doesnt crack every time the wind picks up and waterproof. Those are pretty obvious needs. Ive never heard anyone complain that their phone didnt have force touch.

Maybe these are engineering/physics issues that have yet to be conquered, at least not without significant compromises to other desirable features? Nah, it couldn't be that. It's easier to lambast Apple for not solving a problem that no one else has solved either.
 
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It's easier to lambast Apple for not solving a problem that no one else has solved either.

Thus my tongue in cheek remark/joke about Apple needing someone else to invent it/bring it to market first so they can then release it and say they invented it.

Flew right over your heads.
 

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Show me a single "mainstream" cell phone that has force-touch. There isnt one. But Apple went and invented it right? So why not invent something that we've actually needed since the dawn of the iPhone... a screen that doesnt crack every time the wind picks up and waterproof. Those are pretty obvious needs. Ive never heard anyone complain that their phone didnt have force touch.
Users couldn't possibly have complained about that feature since it has not existed until the most recent Mac notebooks hit the market. Companies invent products / features users haven't requested all the time and don't necessarily wait for all the kinks to be worked out in existing features before making "improvements". It's not only one of the hallmarks of innovation it's also one of the reasons being an early adopter can be a pain.

BTW Although I personally don't need improvements to the iPhone / iPad camera that obviously motivates some customers. If it didn't, other manufacturers wouldn't be touting improvements in their cameras.
 
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it's also one of the reasons being an early adopter can be a pain.

If we're going to have a discussion, let's at least keep things honest. Apple is not an early adopter or "innovative". Theyve got a long history of NOT being the first to release tech they get credit for. Theyre simply the one's that market themselves the best and often have the most user friendly version's of said already existing technology. They didnt invent the smart phone, or are we going to pretend they did? If so, Im done with this conversation.

That said, youre really not seeing the forest from the trees on my complaint. iPhones are not durable. They never have been. It's a much needed area of attention. While camera improvements have been nice over the years, we're now at the point where motion pictures have been filmed soley with iPhones. Any new progression in this area is just a gimmick to dance around addressing the areas that arent as low hanging fruit.

I never said inventing a waterproof phone would be easy. I said it's needed. Much more so than a new camera or processor or form factor. Apple already has us all hooked on their product. They no longer need cheap marketing tricks to keep us on the hook. It's time they start making improvements that have substance.

The AppleTV is a prime example. The current version has been nice. The new version is a complete overhaul that gives fans of the AppleTV everything they thought the original version would be initially. No new S versions released bi-yearly with hokie new form factors. Just a quality noticeable improvement on a already good product.

Maybe it's too much to ask. This is Apple we're talking about after all: The #1 best marketed product in the world. So long as they keep putting their money into shiny ways to sell us the same things, you will buy it. Nobody is asking for a new camera on their iPad. The lemmings only think they need it because Apple tells them they do. Me? I'd prefer they actually put some of that money into a more durable screen. But that's just me apparently. Oh well.
 
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First, let name clarify something. When I mentioned the pains of being an early adopter I was referring to the pains a customer might experience not any problems Apple might experience.

I completely understand your contention that the iPhone needs to be more durable. There are others who might disagree with you. Could Apple produce a more waterproof / more durable version of an iPhone? Perhaps. It might, however, require changes that most users are not particularly interested in. Look at the Toughbook line of notebooks for example. While they have their uses that form factor / cost is not exactly the norm for PC notebooks. If there were tons of pent up demand for that in either phones/notebooks there would be more being sold.

Edit: If innovation is taken to include "a person who introduces new methods, ideas, or products" Apple clearly meets that standard. The common definition of innovation is not limited to being the first to create a product / service. Innovation can, and often does, include people who make changes to existing products. Henry Ford, for example is not considered an innovator because he produced the first car (he wasn't). His innovations to the form factor / production method are considered innovative because they resulted in cars that became somewhat ubiquitous.
 
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If there were tons of pent up demand for that in either phones/notebooks there would be more being sold.

You are sorta making my point.

I have a waterproof iPhone. Many people do. It's called a Lifeproof case (or one of the other brands that make similar products).

Why dont more people buy these cases? Because theyre bulky and ugly. Admittedly a Toughbook "isnt for everyone". But it's not because people dont want more durable stuff. It's because the product looks like crap.

Apple wouldnt have to give up other features. They can figure out a way. It's what engineers do. They figure it out. A engineer's biggest obstacle is not "how to" something it's how do they get it approved by the marketing dept and then get it past the bean counters. Sadly, for the consumer, those 2 wings carry the most weight in every company, ESPECIALLY Apple. It doesnt really serve them any financial gain to release a more durable iPhone. Not because it's not possible, but because it's not profitable. And that, my friend, is lame.

Apple has such a strong brand & such loyal consumers. They dont need to rely on attrition to rely on repeat customers. As I said, they already got us on the hook. Everyone is going to buy the newest iGadget for the same reason they bought the last one: it's fashionable to have the latest Apple product. They can lean on that strength for the next decade. I think they are aware of their products danty nature and bank on the fact that a ton of consumers have to replace their phones long before the internal hardware/software ever needs replacement. It's busch league. It's unnecessary. We're going to buy the latest greatest anyways. So just build a better product.

It's not like Samsung is any better. That stupid "edge" gimmick? Gimme a break. Theyre a screen on the back of the phone away from jumping the shark at this point.


Edit: If innovation is taken to include "a person who introduces new methods, ideas, or products" Apple clearly meets that standard. The common definition of innovation is not limited to being the first to create a product / service. Innovation can, and often does, include people who make changes to existing products. Henry Ford, for example is not considered an innovator because he produced the first car (he wasn't). His innovations to the form factor / production method are considered innovative because they resulted in cars that became somewhat ubiquitous.

The definition of innovative is one that introduces new methods that are both advanced & original.

Apple does neither.

Their core business is a pretty product, marketed superbly, that is supposed to work flawlessly.

Kinda like an AR-15 assault rifle when clean & new. Get em a lil dirty and they are about a useless as a broken down preacher in a zombie apocalypse. On the other hand u have the AK-47? Drop em in the mud and shake the mud off and they still fire like the day they were new. Kinda like Daryl.

I guess I just want my iPhone to have a bit more AK-47 to it. That's not too much to ask from a loyal Apple product owner.
 

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Here's a novel approach...

How about Apple stop messing with the camera, iOS, processor, and gimmicks and just give us this:

A PHONE THAT CAN BE DROPPED WITHOUT SHATTERING

&

WATERPROOF SO I DONT NEED A OBNOXIOUS LIFEPROOF CASE

The camera is good enough. We got plenty of good apps (as long as their is a calculator app, Im good). iOS doesnt need tweaking. Web browsing is fine. Apple Pay is nice. Passbook is cool. iTunes is iTunes. Now just fix the 2 issues that Apple shouldve addressed years ago.

Personally - don't need nor require nor would I request an improvement in either one of those areas. Count me in the minority, but I don't think so. I think you are in the minority or more people would be buying just such a phone or just such a case for the phone they do want.

i've been using the iPhone since day 1. Don't get a new one every year. I go 2-3 years with each phone. Gone from the 1 to the 3GS to the 5S. My wife went from the 1 to the 3GS to the 4S after it became the free upgrade with our carrier. Selling those 2-3 year old phones have paid or more than paid for the upgrades each time.

None of my phones have been kept in a case. My 5S: it's been dropped on the concrete of my driveway twice, parking lot pavement at least a dozen times, it's fallen or been knocked to the ground outside and floor in my house/office more times than I can even begin to count. It's also been submerged in water twice. I carry it in my back pocket and sit on it pretty much all day everyday when it's not being used. It rarely goes an hour without being used - all day every day and goes everywhere I go. Personally, I 'd call that a pretty darn durable device. I had beepers and old fashioned 2 brick sized mobile phones back in the day that wouldn't hold a candle to the beating I put my iPhones through, much less the capabilities of the iPhone.

The iPhone has a lot of stuff/features that I'll personally never use. But, even as someone in their 60s, I still enjoy seeing the new innovations and ideas coming out. The new pressure sensitivity looks pretty sweet. The live pictures, that's another pretty cool innovation that is going to capture a lot of folks.

My vote, is for Apple to keep doing what they do (even with all the trouble they've had with Apple Music since it started and you can read my views on that elsewhere in the forum) - I don't care about having a phone that can withstand every 10' drop test they can come up with nor do I care about it being waterproof to cover my own negligence in taking care of my property.

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After posting and re-reading that, I realized now I'm starting to sound like a fan boy. I'm not really, but I do like most of their products.
 
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Show me a single "mainstream" cell phone that has force-touch.

That's not the point. I asked you to name a "mainstream" cellphone that is both water-proof and break-proof. Don't try to deflect the conversation by complaining about a new feature like force-touch.

Water-proofing and break-proofing a cellphone is not easy. It does add cost, and it would probably add weight. Lower cost & lighter weight…are highly desired features. Adding cost & adding weight…are not desirable features. If all mainstream cell phone manufacturers were selling water-proof & break-proof cellphones…then Apple would too. It's not about innovation or leading the pack. If these features were highly desirable…mainstream cellphone manufacturers would have been doing it years ago. These just aren't "sexy" features. Believe me. There are MANY other features the average cellphone customer wants before these!

- Mainstream laptop computers and tablets are not water-proof or break-proof either!
- Not all wrist watches are waterproof.
- Infants & babies are not water-proof or break proof.
- Eggs are not break-proof.

Should we wrap everything in a condom so it's water proof…and surround it in foam so it's break proof just because some folks cannot be responsible.

Do you want solutions to your water-proof & break-proof issues?? Be a responsible cellphone owner. STOP dropping your cellphone…and STOP getting it wet!:)

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. Count me in the minority,

I do consider u in the minority.

I know girls that go thru 4 iPhones a year due to their negligence.

The extreme cases are not what I'm about. I'm talking about the avg person that has seen their iPhone accidentally slip out of their pocket as they're exiting their car and after a 2 1/2 foot drop the screen is cracked.

If u wanna bring up outliers, go for it. There's exceptions to every rule.
 
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That's not the point. I asked you to name a "mainstream" cellphone that is both water-proof and break-proof. Don't try to deflect the conversation by complaining about a new feature like force-touch.

Water-proofing and break-proofing a cellphone is not easy. It does add cost, and it would probably add weight. Lower cost & lighter weight…are highly desired features. Adding cost & adding weight…are not desirable features. If all mainstream cell phone manufacturers were selling water-proof & break-proof cellphones…then Apple would too. It's not about innovation or leading the pack. If these features were highly desirable…mainstream cellphone manufacturers would have been doing it years ago. These just aren't "sexy" features. Believe me. There are MANY other features the average cellphone customer wants before these!

- Mainstream laptop computers and tablets are not water-proof or break-proof either!
- Not all wrist watches are waterproof.
- Infants & babies are not water-proof or break proof.
- Eggs are not break-proof.

Should we wrap everything in a condom so it's water proof…and surround it in foam so it's break proof just because some folks cannot be responsible.

Do you want solutions to your water-proof & break-proof issues?? Be a responsible cellphone owner. STOP dropping your cellphone…and STOP getting it wet!:)

- Nick

U got a real reading comprehension issue. I suggest u slow down & think about ur responses better.

I never said I wanted a "break proof" device. I said they need to address the fragility of their product.

If u think consumer demand is what makes Apple's decisions then u haven't really been paying attention to their story.

Phones that break easily are simply more profitable. But enjoy ur gimmicks. Force touch is gonna light the world on fire.

The fact that u are defending Apple like a soccer mom defends her kid is so laughable.
 
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After posting and re-reading that, I realized now I'm starting to sound like a fan boy. I'm not really, but I do like most of their products.

This comment is so refreshing to read. Kudos.

Tho, be careful of calling yourself a fanboi. The moderators here will get offended with ur slander and start deleting ur posts as a result.
 

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Tho, be careful of calling yourself a fanboi. The moderators here will get offended with ur slander and start deleting ur posts as a result.

"bobtomay" is a moderator.;)

- Nick
 

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I know girls that go thru 4 iPhones a year due to their negligence.
If you're going to claim it as personal negligence, how is that Apple's fault?

The extreme cases are not what I'm about. I'm talking about the avg person that has seen their iPhone accidentally slip out of their pocket as they're exiting their car and after a 2 1/2 foot drop the screen is cracked.
And I've seen (and experienced) other phones succumb to exactly the same thing.

U got a real reading comprehension issue. I suggest u slow down & think about ur responses better.
Not to sound rude, but it's not really fair to call people out on comprehension skills by using distressingly flawed writing.

The fact that u are defending Apple like a soccer mom defends her kid is so laughable.
The fact that you're making claims without any semblance of evidence to support them makes your assertion, to use your word, laughable. At this point, you're going to have to provide some evidence beyond gendered stereotypes about female clumsiness or really limited anecdotes with no support.

I'm also going to be quite blunt here - if your next post isn't civil and, even in the slightest sense, comments on the personal character of others here, I'll be closing this down.
 

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This conversation is starting to go in circles.

I will add the following:Customer demand / ideas clearly form one part of Apple's decisions. There have been many times Apple has seemed to run counter to customer wishes you can't survive for long with that model slick marketing or not. Companies relying solely, or even primarily on marketing don't last as long as Apple has managed to hang on.

I'm on my third iPhone. Shifting from the 3GS to the iPhone 4 was necessary because I broke the volume rocker on the 3GS. Since the 5 series phones were already out I got a deal on the 4 that was too good to pass up. My 6+ was came about because of a carrier change. My wife went from a 3GS to a 6+ only because we changed carriers otherwise she would still be using her 3GS.
 
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Slydude - I knew there was a reason I liked you! (Other than the fact you you have a "brilliant future" :* ) You both have iPhone 6+ which proves your excellent taste in iPhones. :Cool:

Seriously, All this discussion on what the future iPhone 7 will end up being irrelevant. We can list our wishes but, ultimately it will be what Apple decides.

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