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    Internal SSD..Need advice & knowledge !

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    Internal SSD..Need advice & knowledge !
    Hi All,
    I have in my possession a late-2011 MBP that has thankfully been working quite well over the last few years and is in excellent condition. However it now takes 2-3 minutes to boot up with no start up menus. I believe, given its age that the hard drive may be beginning to fail. It appears that it has been used for browsing, remote connection for work and itunes due to the storage availability.
    As you can see there is not much on this laptop in terms of usage and since its condition is excellent it may be cheaper to do some upgrades versus purchasing a new one at this time.I do know that when fairly new the library was accidentally erased and a very young knowledgable computer prodigy was able to recover everything .
    The specs are:
    MacBook Pro (15-inch, Late 2011)
    Processor 2.2GHz Intel core i7
    Memory 8 GB 1600 MHz DDR3
    macOS High Sierra 10.13.6.
    I am going to purchase a 500 GB external HD to back things up. I also can get a new in package Samsung - 860 EVO 500GB Internal SATA Solid State Drive for about $45.
    Is this a good option ? Also would I benefit by upgrading to 16GB of RAM from 8 GB.
    Also can someone also advise and explain, if possible on what the following means.
    Hitachi HTS545050B9A302 Media /SATA Internal Physical Disk • GUID Partition Map..500.11 GB
    Location: Internal
    Connection: SATA
    Partition Map: GUID Partion Map
    S.M.A.R.T status: Verified
    Capacity: 500.11 GB
    Child Content: 3
    Type: Disk
    Device: disk0
    Used: 499.55 GB

    Macintosh HD.CoreStorage Logical Volume • Mac OS Extended (Journaled)
    Capacity: 498.9
    Available: 468.95
    Used:30.2 GB
    Type: Core Storage Logical Volume
    Owners: enabled
    Connection: SATA
    Device: Disk1
    Is this MBP worth keeping and upgrading ?
    Thanks to all in advance that can offer any input.

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    Internal SSD..Need advice & knowledge !
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    Quote Originally Posted by WW4B View Post
    However it now takes 2-3 minutes to boot up with no start up menus. I believe, given its age that the hard drive may be beginning to fail.
    Given the results/symptoms that would also be my initial conclusion. But to be sure...I would backup everything on an external device (as it sounds like you may be doing). Then erase the internal drive...and do a fresh install of the OS. Then see if things are still sluggish.

    Quote Originally Posted by WW4B View Post
    I am going to purchase a 500 GB external HD to back things up. I also can get a new in package Samsung - 860 EVO 500GB Internal SATA Solid State Drive for about $45.
    Is this a good option ? Also would I benefit by upgrading to 16GB of RAM from 8 GB.
    Hey...where are you getting that great SSD deal from??...I want one! Lol

    Yes...if you replace the old "spinner" internal HD...the SSD will make the computer feel faster. As far as RAM. I'm thinking sticking with the 8gig of RAM for now should be fine. If you find you need 16gig later...you can upgrade then.

    Quote Originally Posted by WW4B View Post
    Also can someone also advise and explain, if possible on what the following means.
    I'm not seeing anything really very special in that info. Just a lot of normal device info.

    Quote Originally Posted by WW4B View Post
    Is this MBP worth keeping and upgrading ?
    I think this mainly depends on what you need it to do...and if it feels too slow for your needs when doing those things. I use an early 2011 MacBook Pro pretty frequently...and it does most things pretty well (email, internet browsing, music, movies/video, some online gaming, MS Office stuff, etc.).

    HTH,

    - Nick

    p.s. Also...thread was moved to better area...and please...only need to post in one subject area. Thanks.
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    Internal SSD..Need advice & knowledge !

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    Thanks for answering. SSD is from a friend who purchased it for his MPB, got a new MBP and is now selling it to me on the cheap !
    Newbie here so bear with me.
    As per your answer on the "normal device info" does this mean the HD was partitioned, if so why !

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    No. Unless I missed something there are no partitions. "Normal device info" simply means that's what I would expect to see as stats/specs on a hard drive.
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    Internal SSD..Need advice & knowledge !
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    Quote Originally Posted by WW4B View Post
    SSD is from a friend who purchased it for his MPB, got a new MBP and is now selling it to me on the cheap !
    Brand new these can be had for about $85-$90. $45 for a "new in package" is a pretty good.

    Quote Originally Posted by WW4B View Post
    As per your answer on the "normal device info" does this mean the HD was partitioned, if so why !
    Looks like a single partition to me. If it wasn't a single partition...the capacity numbers wouldn't be displayed like this:

    Capacity: 498.9
    Available: 468.95
    Used:30.2 GB

    ...they would be broken up into individual & multiple partitions. In this case "available + used = capacity".

    And as you can see...only 30.2gig is used...and about 30% of that is the OS install. So only about 20gig of other stuff (all of which may or may not be worth backing up).

    - Nick
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    Back in 2011/2012, those EVO drives were not compatible with the MBP around at the time. I dont know if anything changed with the OS version that compensated for that. Just informing you as an FYI, maybe your friend can let you test it out for a few days?


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    Internal SSD..Need advice & knowledge !

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    Than what is the Hitachi HTS545050B9A302 Media /SATA Internal Physical Disk • GUID Partition ??
    And what is the Macintosh HD.CoreStorage Logical Volume • Mac OS Extended (Journaled).
    Will there be issues with the EVO drives in terms of compatibility as ferarr mentions...

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    One is the drive (Hitachi) and the other is the partition (Macintosh HD) the OS is installed onto.
    -- Bob --
    Please backup. Everything has a life cycle, unexpected and warning free. Nothing will last as long as you want it to.

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    Internal SSD..Need advice & knowledge !

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    Quick question...my Samsung $45 EVO SSD deal fell through as my buddy decided to keep as a spare !
    Therefore I need to buy a new SSD and external HD to back up to.
    Should I go with the DIY KIT: OWC Express USB 2.0 2.5" Enclosure + 500GB Mercury Electra 3G SSD ($110) and use the old HD as my backup or should I get a separate SSD and external drive from a reputable supplier. Can you recommend a good supplier. Do not want to use someone like best buy.
    I am assuming the kit would be a cheaper option than purchasing separate internal & external HD's. !
    What are the the concerns, pro's and con's of either option.
    Would love to hear what the mac forum experts feel is best !

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    In addition to OWC...try websites like Newegg and Micro Center. Usually good selections & price ranges.

    Sometimes the kits are less expensive (separate drive & external housing)...and sometimes I've found that the price of an already assembled unit can be very close (shop around). The plus of the DIY route...is if there's a specific external housing you prefer (color, shape, material, size, etc.)...then you get exactly what you want.

    - Nick
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    Internal SSD..Need advice & knowledge !

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    Is there a brand the forum recommends or one I should avoid.
    Not much to do with this MBP so 500 GB should suffice.
    Is it difficult to migrate and set the replacement and transfer of files. Can the forum recommend a good "how to" video.
    Newbie here so..Learning as I go.

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    Internal SSD..Need advice & knowledge !

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    Thanks to all for your expertise and guidance.
    Quick question..Since there is less than 32 gb used on the existing failing HD, can I do a full backup of the mac os and all files to a 128 gb flash drive to save some $$.
    I could than purchase an ssd HD to install and transfer os and files to the new ssd via the flash drive.
    Once the new ssd HD accumulates additional data I can than purchase an external HD to take care of larger back ups down the road !
    If this is a recommended option I can use the $$ saved on the purchase of an external HD for more memory.
    What does the forum advise !

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    Quote Originally Posted by WW4B View Post
    Once the new ssd HD accumulates additional data I can than purchase an external HD to take care of larger back ups down the road !
    I know this sounds like a logial & sound plan...but the thing to keep in mind is...doing backups isn't about how much data you have to backup...but how important is the stuff you do have.

    For example:

    - Someone could be writing a novel that takes up only a couple megabytes (or less) that may have taken 100's of hours to write.
    - Someone may be running a small business & maintains all thier business book-keeping records on an Excel file taking up less than a megabyte.
    - Someone coiuld have irreplaceable family photos that take up only a couple gigabyte.

    Any of these individually (or all of these together) do not take up that much space...but for sure they should be backed up. Waiting until "enough data is accumulated" could be very risky. I say get yourself a backup drive now...and start backing up right away. I know I can get a bare 1TB external drive for about $35 and a 2TB bare external drive for around $50. Not too much for peace of mind.

    Another choice for backing up is "Cloud Storage". There are a lot of free Cloud Storage options out there. Here's an article that lays things out. The options they list give you anywhere from 2gig to 50gig for free (and there are many more via searches).

    https://www.cloudwards.net/the-top-5...service-plans/

    HTH,

    - Nick
    - Too many "beachballs", read this: Beachballs
    - Computer seems slower than it used to? Read this for some slow computer tips: Speedup
    - Almost full hard drive? Some solutions. Out of Space
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    Appreciate the reply and advice. This MBP, other than the mac os and itunes/photos (8gb), it has absolutely nothing on it of value. No financials or important documents. A couple of spreadsheets replaceable apps and saved passwords. It appears that this MBP was used exclusively for browsing, mail, itunes, on line purchases, fantasy sports and so on. Since newly unemployed I would like to upgrade and use this MBP for my personal use in regards to job search, budget planning and every day use until things get better financially where hopefully a new MBP will be on the horizon.
    Will this sway your given advice or do you still recommend an external hard drive. There is, obviously, due to itunes an icloud account. Could all be backed up to icloud ?
    Can you recommend a good external 500 gb HD (does not have to be SSD) in the $$ range you mention.
    New to macs and learning more every day by reading the forums.
    You guys are great and appreciate all advice given.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WW4B View Post
    Can you recommend a good external 500 gb HD (does not have to be SSD) in the $$ range you mention.
    Firstly...don't forget to consider the free "Cloud Backup" option.

    As far as lower cost 500gig external HD options...as I mentioned above. Newegg & Micro Center are good places to shop.

    - Nick
    - Too many "beachballs", read this: Beachballs
    - Computer seems slower than it used to? Read this for some slow computer tips: Speedup
    - Almost full hard drive? Some solutions. Out of Space
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