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  1. #16
    Internal SSD..Need advice & knowledge !

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    Your Mac's Specs
    2011 15" MBP 2.2 I7 8gb ram 500gb HD OS 10.13.6
    Update.
    Running mac os High Sierra. Purchased a WD My Passport for Mac external HD to back things up using time machine and my buddy reconsidered and is selling me his Samsung - 860 EVO 500GB Internal SATA Solid State Drive. Got both for $95. hope I did well !
    Will hook up the WD external to the laptop up tonight and back everything up and than install the the Samsung SSD.
    Question..after the install of the SSD and formatting the drive, should I and can I do a fresh install of High Sierra from the app store and than transfer my backup to the new HD ? Or just transfer all from the backup ! When formatting the the transition to a new start disk should I format using APFS which I understand is the preferred method !
    Also, my daughter has a 13" 2013 MBP running Mojave. Will she be able to also use the same WD external HD to back up her MBP ?
    Any feed back would greatly appreciated, new to all of this and can't afford any distractions or issues. Gotta start the resume and job search process !
    This forum has been great..I thank you all very much !

  2. #17
    Internal SSD..Need advice & knowledge !
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    Hi and welcome.

    May I suggest another way of doing this?

    You could make a clone of your current Internal Hard Drive (IHD) on to the WD External Hard Drive. Install the SSD and reclone from the WD to the SSD.

    A clone is an exact replica of your IHD (OS and everything else), so you should end up with an exact copy on your SSD of what's presently on your IHD.

    There are two products that can achieve this and they both offer free trials so you need not be out of pocket - although you might, later on wish to purchase one of these as they are very highly regarded in the Mac world.

    The products are: Carbon Copy Cloner found here: https://bombich.com/download - and - SuperDuper! from here: https://www.shirt-pocket.com/SuperDu...scription.html

    Make sure you get the version best suited to your Operating System (OS).

    BTW, if you definitely want to use the WD Drive for Time Machine, it HAS to be formatted HFS+ also know as OS X Extended (Journaled) irrespective of whether the source (ie your Mac's IHD) is formatted APFS or HFS+/OS X Extended (Journaled)

    And finally, as your daughter's OS is different from yours, she will need her own WD Drive for Time Machine or cloned BU. In fact, she needs her own BU even if your OS was the same.

    Ian
    Ian

  3. #18
    Internal SSD..Need advice & knowledge !

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    Your Mac's Specs
    2011 15" MBP 2.2 I7 8gb ram 500gb HD OS 10.13.6
    Ian, thanks for the advice. Being new to macs i am a little apprehensive on performing any and/or all techniques in cloning, backing up and installing to a new ssd. How easy is this to do considering my ignorance to mac operating systems. Cannot afford any mishaps as I will need the MBP for job searching, resumes etc ! Can you recommend any instructional videos or pdf docs to view in which I can educate myself on this. Not exactly sure of the step by step processes involved !
    Again thanks to the forum for all of your help. Your knowledge is well respected !

  4. #19
    Internal SSD..Need advice & knowledge !
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    I quite understand. It is scary to begin with. Trust me, we've all been through that stage. Even now, there are things I won't touch because I'm scared of my incompetence in handling them.

    To start with, here is a link to a good introduction to cloning and how to set it up from the developer of Carbon Copy Cloner (CCC) which was one of the products I mentioned.

    https://bombich.com/kb/ccc5/how-set-...r-first-backup

    Once you've digested that, here's a very comprehensive run through from the same developer - it may be more than you want!

    https://bombich.com/kb/tags/using-ccc

    There are video tutorials on YouTube, but be careful to choose one that is from 2017 or later because things have changed in the last 18 months.

    If you were going down the Time Machine road, then that's fine, but we would have to give detailed instructions because you will have essentially a blank new SSD - ie nothing on it.

    BTW, I take it that you have confirmed that the Samsung - 860 EVO 500GB Internal SATA Solid State Drive is compatible with your Mac? And if you are able to install the SSD, you must know a fair bit more about computers than you are letting on

    Ian
    Ian

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    Internal SSD..Need advice & knowledge !

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    Your Mac's Specs
    2011 15" MBP 2.2 I7 8gb ram 500gb HD OS 10.13.6
    Hi Ian, and thank you.
    I think I will proceed with the clone route as it seems much easier and less intrusive in regards to steps needed than other options. I will return the WD external HD and purchase an 2.5 HD enclosure (Insignia™ - 2.5" Serial ATA Hard Drive Enclosure - Black. Model:NS-PCHD235 SKU:5820005). This should save me abt $30.
    i can than insert the new SSD into the enclosure and clone the SSD from the internal HD using the free 30 day trial from Super Duper. Once cloned than replace the internal HD with the cloned SSD. This procedure seems more straight forward.
    I can than, if not mistaken, still use the old HD in the enclosure as an extra external back up drive until it completely fails.
    Sound like a plan or am I missing something. Learning a lot abt the mac world.
    Yes, OWC website confirms that this SSD (Samsung - 860 EVO 500GB Internal SATA Solid State Drive ) is a compatible replacement for my 2011 MBP.

  6. #21
    Internal SSD..Need advice & knowledge !
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    Sounds good to me. SuperDuper! (SD!) is a very good cloning software app and I use it as well as Carbon Copy Cloner (CCC).

    Also glad that OWC (excellent organisation) confirm the SSD.

    Keep us posted. Any problems, ask away.

    Ian
    Ian

  7. #22
    Internal SSD..Need advice & knowledge !

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    Your Mac's Specs
    2011 15" MBP 2.2 I7 8gb ram 500gb HD OS 10.13.6
    Update...returned the WD external HD and purchased a Insignia™ - 2.5" Serial ATA Hard Drive Enclosure. Model:NS-PCHD235 SKU:5820005. Down loaded super duper and ready to start the process tomorrow. In reading and researching I came across this...If you install an SSD on a Mac, it's important to make sure that the TRIM command is running on the machine.
    Is this something I need to do or be concerned with ?
    I opened up about this mac / system information / sata/sata express and there is no indication of Trim Support !
    Would appreciate any advice or what to do.
    This is what is displayed !
    Intel 6 Series Chipset:
    Vendor: Intel
    Product: 6 Series Chipset
    Link Speed: 6 Gigabit
    Negotiated Link Speed: 3 Gigabit
    Physical Interconnect: SATA
    Description: AHCI Version 1.30 Supported
    Hitachi HTS545050B9A302:
    Capacity: 500.11 GB (500,107,862,016 bytes)
    Model: Hitachi HTS545050B9A302
    Revision: PB4AC60Y
    Serial Number: 111004PBL400P7GLX8WV
    Native Command Queuing: Yes
    Queue Depth: 32
    Removable Media: No
    Detachable Drive: No
    BSD Name: disk0
    Rotational Rate: 5400
    Medium Type: Rotational
    Partition Map Type: GPT (GUID Partition Table)
    S.M.A.R.T. status: Verified
    Volumes:
    EFI:
    Capacity: 209.7 MB (209,715,200 bytes)
    File System: MS-DOS FAT32
    BSD Name: disk0s1
    Content: EFI
    Volume UUID: BDC1974F-6B8C-3DAE-9DB2-3AA3C17BF506
    disk0s2:
    Capacity: 499.25 GB (499,248,103,424 bytes)
    BSD Name: disk0s2
    Content: Apple_CoreStorage
    Recovery HD:
    Capacity: 650 MB (650,002,432 bytes)
    File System: Journaled HFS+
    BSD Name: disk0s3
    Content: Apple_Boot
    Volume UUID: 049DD97F-8706-3783-8FCE-503F40B6AD40

    Intel 6 Series Chipset:
    Vendor: Intel
    Product: 6 Series Chipset
    Link Speed: 6 Gigabit
    Negotiated Link Speed: 1.5 Gigabit
    Physical Interconnect: SATA
    Description: AHCI Version 1.30 Supported
    MAT****ADVD-R UJ-8A8:
    Model: MAT****ADVD-R UJ-8A8
    Revision: HB14
    Serial Number: D02137409YQDTL7A2
    Native Command Queuing: No
    Detachable Drive: No
    Power Off: Yes
    Async Notification: No

  8. #23
    Internal SSD..Need advice & knowledge !
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    Your Mac's Specs
    L2014 Mac mini macOS Mojave, iPhone 8+ iOS 12, 12.9" iPad Pro 1 iOS 12, Pencil 1
    You won't see Trim, with a standard rotational HDD drive. Trim is only applicable to SSD drives. After you install the SSD in your Mac, go back and see if it has been enabled.
    -- Bob --
    Please backup. Everything has a life cycle, unexpected and warning free. Nothing will last as long as you want it to.

  9. #24
    Internal SSD..Need advice & knowledge !

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    Your Mac's Specs
    2011 15" MBP 2.2 I7 8gb ram 500gb HD OS 10.13.6
    Thank you for the reply...will post results later !
    Love this forum !

  10. #25
    Internal SSD..Need advice & knowledge !

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    Your Mac's Specs
    2011 15" MBP 2.2 I7 8gb ram 500gb HD OS 10.13.6
    Update: New SSD has been cloned with super duper and installed in the MBP.
    All I can say is WOW !!!
    What a difference in my MBP, so much faster and all seems to be working just fine.
    I opened up about this mac / system information / sata/sata express and checked Trim Support, as you can see below it says "No" !
    Must this be enabled to "Yes", if so how is this done. Came this far and don't want to mess anything up at this point without guidance from the forum.
    What is my next step ?
    Also, is it necessary to download the "Samsung Magician ?
    Samsung SSD 860 EVO 500GB:
    Capacity: 500.11 GB (500,107,862,016 bytes)
    Model: Samsung SSD 860 EVO 500GB
    Revision: RVT01B6Q
    Serial Number: S3Z1NW0KA07975H
    Native Command Queuing: Yes
    Queue Depth: 32
    Removable Media: No
    Detachable Drive: No
    BSD Name: disk0
    Medium Type: Solid State
    TRIM Support: No
    Partition Map Type: GPT (GUID Partition Table)
    S.M.A.R.T. status: Verified
    Volumes:
    EFI:
    Capacity: 209.7 MB (209,715,200 bytes)
    File System: MS-DOS FAT32
    BSD Name: disk0s1
    Content: EFI
    Volume UUID: 0E239BC6-F960-3107-89CF-1C97F78BB46B
    Samsung MBP:
    Capacity: 499.76 GB (499,763,888,128 bytes)
    Available: 469.68 GB (469,678,821,376 bytes)
    Writable: Yes
    File System: Journaled HFS+
    BSD Name: disk0s2
    Mount Point: /
    Content: Apple_HFS
    Volume UUID: 85BA25EF-B854-3181-8BFC-838910F4A409

  11. #26
    Internal SSD..Need advice & knowledge !
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    L2014 Mac mini macOS Mojave, iPhone 8+ iOS 12, 12.9" iPad Pro 1 iOS 12, Pencil 1
    Did you check for any macOS updates? Sometimes firmware updates will enable this option.

    If not, you can try this, https://apple.stackexchange.com/ques...-3rd-party-ssd. Be sure to read through it so you understand the consequences of dealing with Terminal.


    Bob -

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    -- Bob --
    Please backup. Everything has a life cycle, unexpected and warning free. Nothing will last as long as you want it to.

  12. #27
    Internal SSD..Need advice & knowledge !

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    Your Mac's Specs
    2011 15" MBP 2.2 I7 8gb ram 500gb HD OS 10.13.6
    Checked for macos updates..all is updated, even dowloaded mac high sierra again for a fresh install. Trim still nor enabled. Very confusing reading you have provided for a non tech apple user. However, is this something that needs to be done or just use my mbp as I always have ?
    Doing some research as well to understand the workings of macos and came across this.
    Should I proceed, with the below and is it that easy as described below or am I opening up a can of worms beyond my knowledge of macos ?
    Also is it to my benefit or necessary to download the "Samsung Magician software that came with the ssd ?

    Here's how to turn TRIM on:
    Make sure you're logged into your Mac with an account that has Administrator privileges. Next:
    1. Run Terminal (you can search for it with Spotlight)
    2. Type in this command: sudo trimforce enable and press enter.
    3. Type in the password of the account you're using, then press enter.
    4. The system will display a notice, then ask you if you are sure you wish to proceed. Type in y and then press enter.
    5. The system will then indicate that it will reboot and ask you if that's OK. Type y again then press enter.

    Now wait for the system to restart by itself and you're done. If you check again, you will see that TRIM is now running on the system., checked for macos updates..all is updated. very confusing reading for a non tech apple user. However, is this something that needs to be done or just use my mbp as I always have ?
    Doing some research as well to understand the workings of macos and came across this.

  13. #28
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    L2014 Mac mini macOS Mojave, iPhone 8+ iOS 12, 12.9" iPad Pro 1 iOS 12, Pencil 1
    There is also this, https://cindori.org/trimenabler/ but it's $15.
    -- Bob --
    Please backup. Everything has a life cycle, unexpected and warning free. Nothing will last as long as you want it to.

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    Again thanks to the forum for all of your help. Your knowledge is well respected !

    I may have missed something but I would definitely agree with Ian's comments and use his suggested method using Carbon Copy Cloner (CCC).

    But I see that SuperDuper was used instead, which will work well in a lot of cases, but unless the latest version has changed and included the feature, it does not clone the Recovery HD partition or provide the option to do so as far as I know, or unless it has changed and included the future that Carbon Copy Cloner does include.





    - Patrick
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    Internal SSD..Need advice & knowledge !

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    Your Mac's Specs
    2011 15" MBP 2.2 I7 8gb ram 500gb HD OS 10.13.6
    New to macos so bear with me. How do I get a Recovery HD partition ?
    Also reinstalled High Sierra and now when checking disk utility I now have the below noted under disk utility.
    Have I done something I shouldn't have ? What did I do to get the below. Can this be undone or am I okay ?
    Should I also enable trim or leave well enough alone ?

    Samsung MBP
    APFS Volume • APFS Used:28.66 gb Other Volume.99 gb Free66.24 gb Mount Point: / Capacity99.9 gb Available65 gb Type: APFS Volume Owners: Enabled
    Connection: SATA Device: Disk1

    Container disk1
    APFS Container
    VM 4.29 gb Samsung MBP 28.68 gb 2 Not Mounted 698.6 mb Free 466.24 gb Volume Count: 4 Capacity: 499.9 gb free: 466.24 gb Used:33.66 gb
    Type: APFS Container Physical Stores: disk02 Connection: SATA Device: disk1

    Samsung SSD 860 EVO 500GB:
    Capacity: 500.11 GB (500,107,862,016 bytes)
    Model: Samsung SSD 860 EVO 500GB
    Revision: RVT01B6Q
    Serial Number: S3Z1NW0KA07975H
    Native Command Queuing: Yes
    Queue Depth: 32
    Removable Media: No
    Detachable Drive: No
    BSD Name: disk0
    Medium Type: Solid State
    TRIM Support: No
    Partition Map Type: GPT (GUID Partition Table)
    S.M.A.R.T. status: Verified
    Volumes:
    EFI:
    Capacity: 209.7 MB (209,715,200 bytes)
    File System: MS-DOS FAT32
    BSD Name: disk0s1
    Content: EFI
    Volume UUID: 0E239BC6-F960-3107-89CF-1C97F78BB46B
    disk0s2:
    Capacity: 499.9 GB (499,898,105,856 bytes)
    BSD Name: disk0s2
    Content: Apple_APFS
    Attached Files Attached Files

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