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Check its location and file size. If it's sitting in the Application folder and Get Info reports a file size around 5 - 6 GB it should be the entire installer.

BTW I understand your frustration with how pro users are sometimes treated. I'm sure there are many that agree with you. I will say though that this is not entirely due to Apple's OS release schedule. Apple has been on a path of making major OS revisions annually for several years now.
 
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Just checked, its just over 6gigs, so Im good I think.

On the OS schedule, I don't think it matters how long apples been doing it. The trouble is, audio (and probably a few other major pro things Im not sure) is notorious for being incredibly finicky. You're fine if you're using say 1000 dollar or less audio interfaces maybe and say logic, but theres a reason why traditionally you'd see studios big or small running antiquated stuff, it isn't all just about ROI (though its perhaps part of the equation but thats true of all pro applications) but in audio its so finicky one simple update and BAM your studio is down. Like, you better have backed up, and even then you're going to be down for days, which is catastrophic. Hopefully major apps like pro tools can mov a bit quicker but I doubt it. I have seen a major move to windows in the pro tools world very recently, and that worries me. Ive never seen this to this extent before. Not that I think it means apple is going down by any means. It just means me, who hates windows with a passion, may have to move to the dark side to be more compatible with other studios down the road should this continue. That'd be a huge drag. I run both pro tools and logic, pro tools is the main one.

Its a whole different world in audio and I wish it'd move faster. I have about 12k in audio racks and even those just got qualified for Mojave just a month ago finally, and that was fast apparently!
 

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Believe me I understand that situation completely. Even in the business and government worlds there are many entities that wait for long periods of time before updating. In addition to ROI costs, and the downtime associated with crashes / problems, the stress of trying to share major projects with colleagues who haven't updated is not fun by any means.
 
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part of me loves the idea of speccing out a smoker of a machine in parts, but then I have to run windows.

My good friend who does feature film scoring, he just built a hackintosh, he's trying to convince me of it because he knows how much I hate windows, but to me that defeats the point of having a Mac, I turn it on, use it, and never screw with it. Im waiting for the newer Mac minis to get more powerful, or see, and hope the new Mac pros aren't a bazzilion dollars like the iMac pro is and maybe consider a base model as the next move.

I sort of wish for the days of the souped up beige G3 I loved!

EDIT: Just wanted to add an article from pro tools expert, it contains a graph of Mac to PC users in 2016, and the now in 2019. Its shocking, and is something apple needs to wake up to. I think they may be, with the release of the 6 core mini, but even that is half measures, some, like me, are waiting to see the new Mac Pro. Pro Tools | Pro Tools Users Abandoning Apple Mac For Microsoft Windows. New Poll Shows Alarming Results
 
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The sad part of all this is that Apple has been very open about the eventual move to 64bit only. So companies cannot complain that they didn't know, or were not given enough time to adjust/adapt/update/revise. By not being ready, they are the ones basically saying "we don't care about you" to their users. Moving from 32 bit to 64 bit is NOT that hard, you just need to do it.
 
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its hard to imagine that in 2019 they still aren't 64bit. Even stalwart pro tools has been 64bit since 2013.
 
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If your'e thinking about it just remember that Apple tends to remove the last macOS after the release of the next one. Now that Mojave is at the 10.14.4 stage you might like to download the installer. If you have 5Gb to spare. Alternatively set a reminder to do so before the next macOS upgrade is released.

They remove old versions from the storefront, but if you downloaded it previously, you can get it from your history. I have all the versions starting with Lion available in my purchase history to re-download at will.
 

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I have all the versions starting with Lion available in my purchase history to re-download at will.

Really? Have you checked your purchased items lately in the new Mac App Store? The only previous purchased macOS that I'm showing is El Capitan. Everything else has been removed.
 
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I have all the versions starting with Lion available in my purchase history to re-download at will.
Not in more current versions of macOS. I “believe” El Capitan or Sierra, were the last versions to display those. Which may have to do with APFS?
 
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Really? Have you checked your purchased items lately in the new Mac App Store? The only previous purchased macOS that I'm showing is El Capitan. Everything else has been removed.

Well I just learned something new (and seriously Apple, what the what?????). I was floored when I couldn't find them in my purchase history on my MacBook Air when I knew full well it hadn't been that long ago since I last saw them. Then I realized my iMac is stuck on High Sierra and that is where I can still see the older versions. That's just a blatantly hostile move on Apple's part, like no one may have a valid reason to roll back to an older version.
 
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Not in more current versions of macOS. I “believe” El Capitan or Sierra, were the last versions to display those. Which may have to do with APFS?

Nah, it has nothing to do with APFS. I can see the old versions on High Sierra and I have APFS in use on this iMac. It appears to have something to do with Apple moving the OS updates to the System Preferences. I found an article that provides download links to all the old versions of OS X. Those links are culled from Apple's support pages. When you click the link, the App Store will open up and show you the page and download button for that version of OS X. On my iMac running High Sierra, clicking download gets me the usual installer. But on my MacBook Air running Mojave, clicking download for High Sierra launches the System Update module in System Preferences, which in turn gave me a warning asking me if I really want to download that older update. I shrugged my shoulders and clicked on Yes, figuring it wouldn't actually do it. Well it did start downloading it and I wound up cancelling the download. I don't know what would have happened if I followed it all the way through. Maybe it would have initiated a full reinstall of High Sierra over Mojave. Maybe it would have just dropped the installer in my Applications folder like it would have been the old way. Maybe it was trying to just download an update combo and would have completely hosed my system once applied. I have no idea right now. I may give that another whirl and follow it through to see what happens after updating my backup clone of the MBA this weekend.
 

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Yeah, Apple has made it difficult to go backwards. And unless you saved all those older versions of macOS on installer flash drives, they're probably gone forever. I'm also not happy about Apple abandoning 32 bit apps with the next version of macOS.

But wait.... the fun will really begin when Apple notifies everyone that they're giving up on Intel and will go to ARM chipsets. Seems like we've been through that route before. :puke
 
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I know in the pro world this future move to arm processors has many very spooked. Including myself.
 

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I'm not sure it will happen as soon as the "Apple Watchers" have predicted. We just saw a round of new iMacs including an option to go with an i9 processor and we will likely see a new Mac Pro later this Summer. Apple ARM chips are powerful and work real well in iOS devices but Apple has yet to prove they can match Intel when it comes to Notebook and Desktop power.
 
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Apple ARM chips are powerful and work real well in iOS devices but Apple has yet to prove they can match Intel when it comes to Notebook and Desktop power.

Apple's ARM chips are ALREADY in several Mac models, as co-processors. And Apple's A12X chip is ALREADY a desktop strength processor.

What Apple doesn't have yet is a chip with Xenon-levels of performance. And given that Apple is due to release an all-new Mac Pro soon, my guess is that Apple has to stick with Intel Xenon chips for the Mac Pro, at the minimum, for the foreseeable future. If Apple were going to drop Intel processors wholesale, I don't think that they would be releasing a new Mac Pro just now.

The thing that folks are worried about is a wholesale switch from Intel to ARM, similar to the switch from PowerPC to Intel or from Motorola to PowerPC. Given that Apple is already putting more and more powerful ARM chips in their Macs as co-processors, I think that what is most likely for the foreseeable future is that Apple will continue to use Intel processors for backwards compatibility, and pair them with ARM co-processors for performance and advanced features. So I don't think that anyone needs to get all paranoid anytime soon.

Have a look at:
How the Mac will go ARM | iMore
 
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Apple's ARM chips are ALREADY in several Mac models, as co-processors. And Apple's A12X chip is ALREADY a desktop strength processor.

What Apple doesn't have yet is a chip with Xenon-levels of performance. And given that Apple is due to release an all-new Mac Pro soon, my guess is that Apple has to stick with Intel Xenon chips for the Mac Pro, at the minimum, for the foreseeable future. If Apple were going to drop Intel processors wholesale, I don't think that they would be releasing a new Mac Pro just now.

The thing that folks are worried about is a wholesale switch from Intel to ARM, similar to the switch from PowerPC to Intel or from Motorola to PowerPC. Given that Apple is already putting more and more powerful ARM chips in their Macs as co-processors, I think that what is most likely for the foreseeable future is that Apple will continue to use Intel processors for backwards compatibility, and pair them with ARM co-processors for performance and advanced features. So I don't think that anyone needs to get all paranoid anytime soon.

Have a look at:
How the Mac will go ARM | iMore

Yeah, I don't see Apple going all-in on ARM anytime soon, if ever. Maintaining the option to dual-boot Windows is a pretty big carrot to lure buyers. What I would not be surprised to see though is Apple making their own x86 compatible chips rather than rely on Intel or AMD, especially if they can push them to higher performance levels than what either Intel or AMD have been doing.
 

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Yeah, I don't see Apple going all-in on ARM anytime soon, if ever. Maintaining the option to dual-boot Windows is a pretty big carrot to lure buyers. What I would not be surprised to see though is Apple making their own x86 compatible chips rather than rely on Intel or AMD, especially if they can push them to higher performance levels than what either Intel or AMD have been doing.

LOL, I can see it now..... The mother of all intellectual property suits: Intel vs Apple! Both have enough lawyers to fill a good size baseball park. :goofy
 
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Frankly what might make better sense would be for Apple to partner with VMWare or Parallels or even Oracle to create an Intel emulator that would work in the ARM world. A kind of Rosetta like back during the shift from PowerPC to Intel. If they let the third parties do the emulation, then they don't have to worry about maintaining it like they did Rosetta, so there would be no reason for it to be dropped like Rosetta. Better that than spending a metric crap-ton of money on lawyers.
 
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Yeah, I don't see Apple going all-in on ARM anytime soon, if ever. Maintaining the option to dual-boot Windows is a pretty big carrot to lure buyers.


I agree. It's not that Bootcamp (which is free) is a great way to go in actuality (it requires re-booting to switch OS's and you can't run both simultaneously), it's just that it makes former Windows users feel good about buying a Mac, knowing that they can run Windows if they feel that they have to. It's a huge selling feature.

What I would not be surprised to see though is Apple making their own x86 compatible chips rather than rely on Intel or AMD, especially if they can push them to higher performance levels than what either Intel or AMD have been doing.

I'd wager the the possibility of that happening is about zero. Intel owns the rights to X86. They aren't going to just easily give a license to a huge customer to allow them to become a huge competitor instead.

Also, no one on the planet has the experience with X86 that Intel has. It seems highly unlikely to me that anyone is going to do it better. AMD has been chasing this goal for ages and still hasn't.

Also, going ARM-only coupled with traditional emulation software to provide backwards compatibility with old Mac software would likely be unacceptably slow. Transitive had very unique just-in-time technology that made Rosetta viable, but Transitive no longer exists; it was gobbled up by IBM. Once again, it might be an impossible licensing issue.
 

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