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  1. #16
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    Well, considering that Louisiana is the only state that has Parishes instead of counties, French succession law of inheritance as applied to families, and the best Fried Catfish and Hush Puppies in all of the USA!

    And we have Andy Jackson to thank for beating the bloody British at the battle of New Orleans. LOL

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    Landing in Louisiana makes a degree of sense given that during much of the state's early history we we a French territory/colony.

    Interesting, and unfortunately my knowledge of US-Canada history is quite lacking, and I sure didn't know that.

    I guess they just messaged each other and decided Louisiana would be a good place to escape to. But it seems that not all managed to remember to take their "Squeezeboxes" with them.

    What's harder to figure out are the few brave souls who missed Louisiana entirely and ended up on the Texas gulf coast somewhere.
    What's amazing to me is how they all managed to arrive in a relatively small area in the Louisiana area, I'm led to believe from what I've read, when they didn't even have any GPS, decent accurate Maps, reliable road or trail signs or means of communication. That's quite a long journey.





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    OK, have run into my first snag with the new iMac. Actually it isn't an iMac problem but a problem with the APFS file system. Doesn't seem to be much in the way of manuals or how to's or I just keep looking in the wrong place and not asking the correct question. Anyhow here is what happened and the problem I have. Hopefully someone out there will know the answer.

    I have a 4T USB external drive that I hooked up to the iMac and set it up In 4 1T drives, then made 3 of the 4 APFS drives and 1 as regular old format. I then transferred my files into 2 of the drives and everything worked just fine. So I started transferring the files into the third drive and just after the transfer started Mother Nature decided to get into the act and zapped a local power line, which of course cut power off to the computer I was transferring from. The iMac was hooked to a battery backup and didn't go off but after it quit I find that out of aprox 44,000 files it only got about 25-30 thousand. That got fixed by having disk utility erase the drive and doing the files again. BUT !!

    The problem I am left with is an extra icon of my Macintosh HD that only shows one file in it which shows an icon that says containertoinvert ...I can find nothing to get rid of it...what is invert ? how do I get rid of this extra icon ? Ideas ?
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    Anyone using the APFS file system ?
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    Ok, maybe you need to read this: https://support.apple.com/guide/disk...skutl14027/mac and https://support.apple.com/guide/disk...skutl14027/mac and some of the links from inside those articles. Your terminology would seem to indicate that you have four old-style partitions, three of them set up as APFS with a Container and a Volume for that partition, and one set up for HFS+. And now you have on your internal drive a second Volume named "containeroinvert" with one file? Or is it a second "Macintosh HD" with one file of that name? In any case, I would open Disk Utility and see if your internal drive has more than one Volume in the Container, then look at the external drive to see if the partitions each have one Container and one Volume to see if that duplicate Volume is there. If so, follow the instructions from Apple in the articles and linked articles to eliminate the extraneous Volume.

    BTW, your division of the drive was not really needed. It would have been easier to have just two partitions with one Container and three Volumes on one partition, then the other partition as HFS+. But in fact, you don't even need the HFS+ on the external unless you want to somehow share the drive physically with another Mac with an older version of the OS. The advantage of APFS and the Container/Volume structure is that volumes are dynamically sized within the Container, so the three drives would size themselves within the Container as they needed to as you added/removed files from the Volume.

    APFS is new, and I'm kind of surprised that you could have four partitions, if in fact that is what you have. From reading about it, I would have suspected that converting the drive to APFS would have affected the entire drive and created four Volumes in one Container, but to be honest, I've not played with it enough to know what options exist. I may have to do some experimenting.
    Jake

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    Anyone using the APFS file system ?
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    @James

    I can't match Jake's excellent summary, but one thing that is important: if you plan a Time Machine backup, the destination Drive MUST be formatted HFS+ - aka OS X Extended (Journaled).

    Ian

    EDIT: just realised I said this already in post #3.
    Ian

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    Can you post some screen shots?
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    APFS is new, and I'm kind of surprised that you could have four partitions, if in fact that is what you have. From reading about it, I would have suspected that converting the drive to APFS would have affected the entire drive and created four Volumes in one Container, but to be honest, I've not played with it enough to know what options exist. I may have to do some experimenting.

    Going by only what I have read, I would have assumed the same thing. And unless I am not understanding what was done correctly, I didn't think it could even be done.

    Have fun and good luck experimenting!!! And maybe let us know what you discover.

    I won't bother as I can't even run Mohave on my 2011 iMac.





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    I believe James, created the partitions using HFS+, and the formatted them afterwards, at least, that's what his description sounds like to me?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacInWin View Post
    Ok, maybe you need to read this: https://support.apple.com/guide/disk...skutl14027/mac and https://support.apple.com/guide/disk...skutl14027/mac and some of the links from inside those articles. Your terminology would seem to indicate that you have four old-style partitions, three of them set up as APFS with a Container and a Volume for that partition, and one set up for HFS+. And now you have on your internal drive a second Volume named "containeroinvert" with one file? Or is it a second "Macintosh HD" with one file of that name? In any case, I would open Disk Utility and see if your internal drive has more than one Volume in the Container, then look at the external drive to see if the partitions each have one Container and one Volume to see if that duplicate Volume is there. If so, follow the instructions from Apple in the articles and linked articles to eliminate the extraneous Volume.

    BTW, your division of the drive was not really needed. It would have been easier to have just two partitions with one Container and three Volumes on one partition, then the other partition as HFS+. But in fact, you don't even need the HFS+ on the external unless you want to somehow share the drive physically with another Mac with an older version of the OS. The advantage of APFS and the Container/Volume structure is that volumes are dynamically sized within the Container, so the three drives would size themselves within the Container as they needed to as you added/removed files from the Volume.

    APFS is new, and I'm kind of surprised that you could have four partitions, if in fact that is what you have. From reading about it, I would have suspected that converting the drive to APFS would have affected the entire drive and created four Volumes in one Container, but to be honest, I've not played with it enough to know what options exist. I may have to do some experimenting.
    I would guess it is quite obvious to all that I am not some high tech guru. I get things done usually the hard way and only then because I'm a hard nose that don't give up to easy. You say I didn't need to do it the way I did, but I found no step by step manual telling me how to do what I wanted and I found no one who knew any more about it that I do. I formatted the 4T drive into 4 1T volumes and installed APFS on 3 volumes to try the new file system and I left a 1T as the old file system so I could use it as a time Machine backup drive, and also be read by my old Mac Pro desktop on El Capitan. And actually every thing was going great until the lighting strike that cut the power. What I wanted was 5 drive icons on the desktop giving quick access to those drives and it worked I have it.

    I really don't know the difference between partitions, containers, volumes, but I also seem to have all of those. Disk Utility says I have 5 containers and about 4 volumes...so at the moment I'm pretty much of a happy camper with the new iMac. Defiantly a bit of overkill for what I do anymore, but what the heck I'm 81 years old and this will probably be my last new computer...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ferrarr View Post
    Can you post some screen shots?
    Ok will see if I can get one or two and post em.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ferrarr View Post
    I believe James, created the partitions using HFS+, and the formatted them afterwards, at least, that's what his description sounds like to me?
    Yes the 4T drive was originally partitioned and formatted using the old file system, then when I hooked it to the new iMac I changed it APFS.
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    How about one screenshot of Disk Utility with all partitions?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ferrarr View Post
    How about one screenshot of Disk Utility with all partitions?
    Your wish is my command

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/i5us7pbirguchgu/7.png?dl=0

    Oh by the way I finally figured out how to solve the problem of that extra Macintosh HD icon that needed to be "inverted". The answer was so simple I am amazed someone didn't spot it right off and jump in with the answer. Notice the top left corner of the disk utility above...see the + - ...simply hit the minus with it highlighted and poof it's gone.
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    Oh by the way I finally figured out how to solve the problem of that extra Macintosh HD icon that needed to be "inverted". The answer was so simple I am amazed someone didn't spot it right off and jump in with the answer.


    Congratulations and good sleuthing.

    I'm glad you found the solution, but I'll bet a member would have pointed out the solution if the image had actually being posted. I sure didn't see one, but maybe I just missed it somewhere previously or now.
    Notice the top left corner of the disk utility above...see the + - ...simply hit the minus with it highlighted and poof it's gone.
    Screen Shot 2018-12-02 at 10.22.19 AM.png

    PS: Was that perhaps the "disk2" that seems to be missing from the disk order in the screeshot???

    Anyway, I'm glad to read you got your problems all sorted out and things now seem to be working well with that new iMac.





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