An important note about upgrading to Mojave!

[harryb2448]

Add all those seven minutes together and maybe get another year of life lol?

I use two SSDs as backups and wonder if SD will chjange the format. If not will probably do so manually unless advised otherwise.

 

[chscag]

Hey Harry....

I can use all those extra minutes. Seems like the days are going by a lot faster than they used to.

 

[pm-r]

I haven't started to address Time Machine. My Time Machine external drive is formatted to HFS+. From what I've read about Time Machine and Mojave, it appears that for now any Time Machine external drive used should remain as HFS+. If I hear anything more about that, I'll post on to this thread.

I would assume that a TM backup would not be bootable on a HFS+ drive as I gather Mojave won't boot from such a formatted volume. And I guess it follows that neither would a CCC (or SD) backup on a HFS+ volume be bootable with Mojave.





- Patrick
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[pm-r]

You must give CCC permission in order for it to work correctly with Mojave. CCC will inform you that it needs that permission before it can properly copy all files.

So how is one supposed to do that when they run a scheduled and unattended CCC backup???

Or does CCC only need a one time permission grant that is remembered???






- Patrick
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[chscag]

Or does CCC only need a one time permission grant that is remembered???

One time only. CCC will remember the setting.

Another thing to know about APFS cloning with CCC.... Mike Bombich states that the copying and creating of the APFS container recovery partition is automatic when cloning. IOW, you no longer have to set that up manually.

 

[pm-r]

One time only. CCC will remember the setting.

OK, Thanks Charlie.

And I hope that Mojave's Root boss will honor that setting and actually let CCC do it's stuff.





- Patrick
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[MacInWin]

Patrick, it's actually a Setting in Mojave under System Preferences. Much like whitelisting a site, you give the app permission for full disk access once and Mojave remember that until you change it. You might have to do that with FAF, btw, as it also would need full disk access.

 

[macgig]

I waited a year before doing the high sierra update. so I'm in no hurry for Mojave.

 

[pm-r]

Patrick, it's actually a Setting in Mojave under System Preferences. Much like whitelisting a site, you give the app permission for full disk access once and Mojave remember that until you change it. You might have to do that with FAF, btw, as it also would need full disk access.

Thanks Jake, and I think you would be correct about FAF, and probably quite a few other intrusive utilities I use. But it may be a cold day in **** before I have to worry about that as my mid-2011 27 inch iMac can't even run Mohave and I have absolutely no desire or need to run it.

It's interesting to read Apple's comment about an easier method when Mike Bombich asked them at a developers conference which was basically NO WAY IN ****[/I]:

Granting Full Disk Access to CCC and its helper tool

If you would prefer a simple "CCC is trying to access your data, would you like to allow that? Allow/Deny" dialog – hey, so would we! I spoke with members of Apple's Privacy Team at Apple's developer conference in June, and I suggested offering such a dialog for notarized applications – apps that Apple has deemed to be free of malware. They were adamant that users should not get a simple dialog; they want it to be hard for you. If you're feeling Mo'hassled by Mo'jave, let Apple know that you'd like a simpler UI for granting full disk access to notarized apps.

https://bombich.com/blog/2018/09/17/ccc-5.1.5-ready-macos-mojave
[bold mine]

As he says, let Apple know if you don't like their Mojave method. As if if they would even consider a change. Yeah right!!!







- Patrick
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[MacInWin]

I personally think Bombich hyperventilated over this. It's not hard. I've done it for two apps already (CCC and iMazing) and each was really painless. Open Sys Prefs/Security, drag the icon for the program to the window. Done.

 

[chscag]

Thanks for the reminder about iMazing. I had forgotten about that app.

Another note: I received my Samsung T5 today and immediately reformatted it to APFS (it came pre-formatted to exFAT). I then used it to do a full CCC backup of my iMac SSD. At first I couldn't believe it finished that fast, 6.23 minutes from start to stop. A bit later I'm going to test it to see how fast it will boot the iMac. I connected it to my Thunderbolt 3 port. The drive comes with 2 cables, 1 Thunderbolt 3/USB C to USB C and 1 USB C to USB C.

 

[pm-r]

I then used it to do a full CCC backup of my iMac SSD. At first I couldn't believe it finished that fast, 6.23 minutes from start to stop.

WOW!!! They said APFS was going to be fast with SSDs, so their statement seems like a bit of an understatement!!!

I'm guessing that that time must be about three times as fast as your CCC clone with your HFS+ HDD setup.

Nice.





- Patrick
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[chscag]

At least 3X as fast when making a full backup. I also did a test boot with the T5 to see just how fast it would boot the iMac from start to screen display. Not as fast as the internal PCIe drive but very close.

The only bad thing about booting from an external drive or booting to recovery is that Apple in their "wisdom" decided to do away with the Bong! on newer Macs. You really have to watch the screen very closely to catch when the machine is ready to boot again after restarting so you can hold down the appropriate key. What a pain. And there is no way to bring back the POST sound since it's a firmware thing.

 

[sandman]

I'm not a tech guy when it comes to computers, of course I've been around them since 1991, first
with IBM's OS2, then switched to Mac.
My Laptop is an early 2011 13" MacBook Pro...
So I find out that Mojave is not supported on my Model.. but then I read were someone has built a "patch"
I went in a read about the patch and which machines it will work on. and then I notice that my video card
is one that is not excluded from Mojave, which one of the concerns.
Anyway I went ahead an installed Mojave on my MacBook Pro yesterday, and It "Bricked"
But being as old as Moses I don't get rattled any longer and after about 2 hours of messing with the install
setup for the patch, Mojave is not rinning fine on my 2011 MacBook Pro.. in dark mode right now.
in this thread it was stated that Mojave will change the file system to APFS... I just checked my Disk Utility
and it shows the file system as Mac OS Extended... Is this because Mojave is not completly installed or
because it does not auto switch to APFS?
anyway, just thought I'd let others know that the Patch does work, the computer seems stable
So far my only one dislike is that in dark mode it is hard to see some of the white letters they need to be
a little brighter.. especially in Safari..
Best
PS, I found the info about the update\Patch on this forum, if any of you are wanting to update
please read, read, watch the video, watch the video, take notes, take notes, especially when the system
is rebooting, you might need to double check the steps... if you don't have another computer to reference
info,, I found the Iphone screen was a little small to follow..

 

[pm-r]

Mojave is not rinning fine on my 2011 MacBook Pro..

I guess those old eyes missed some rather critical word spellings in your post.

But I think most would understand what you were saying and it's rather interesting about the patch for Mohave install but I won't be bothering with it as there's really nothing to gain or really useful for me.

Mid-2011 27" iMac.





- Patrick
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[sandman]

Hello
I posted earlier about my results installing Mojave OS on an unsupported MacBook Pro
I thought everything was running smooth, until I decided to revert from Dark Mode back to Light Mode.
Now I find programs not completly following this setup.
In light mode, the system Menu is still darkas is all the drop downs. When I open a side bar in Safari it is dark
the same for Calender double clicking on an upcomeing event opens the event window, but its dark.
Just thought I'd bring this up
Best