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Lots of new stuff there to distract drivers, let alone an iPhone.


You don't even need a new car as many have been like that for years now and which has been my contention, especially locally, with some of our distracted driving laws as to where is the line should be drawn.

And especially with some of the cops here who tend to be rather overzealous.





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I am ambiguous about this whole business.

Holding a phone to your ear whilst driving or texting whilst driving - I see it all the time - is not only illegal here in the UK, but frankly and obviously dangerous.

On the other hand, what I find staggering is that on my car - built in as standard equipment - there is a Joystick-type mouse centrally placed between the front seats which controls the computer screen.

Should I be stupid enough to do so, I can select music tracks to play, scroll through my phone book, play around with the road map settings; even set up a new destination including house number, street, city, post code (Zip Code) - WHIST DRIVING!

I take no part in this, but many do.

Given that we drive on the left side of the road, the steering wheel being on the right, I would have to operate the mouse with my left hand. As 80% or so of the population are right-handed; can you imagine the extra difficulty of operating a mouse with your left hand?

Take my word for it, your entire concentration is taken up with getting the blessed mouse to do what you want it to do. And all of this is legal!

That's why I'm ambiguous - actually totally confused would be a better word.

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Ian, I think you are actually ambivalent, but you may be ambiguous as well. :)

For car manufacturers, it's a constant battle between new features to awe while also enhancing safety. They have blind spot detectors, radar based speed control, lane departure warning systems and then they have WiFi and large multimedia screens with connection to phones through CarPlay and Android Auto to distract you. A lot of the cars also sport (and do a good job with) voice recognition which might solve a lot of the looking down at buttons, screens issue if you can just speak freely and have the car do what you want. "Find me the nearest <blah> on my way home" for example.
 
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The iPhone 6S+ needed a restart again today - running iOS12.

Not had this problem with my old iPhone 6S that is testing Beta of iOS12.1

However, not had the same problem on the iPhone SE that is also on iOS12 :)

Waiting for new Xr to be released before deciding what to buy.
 

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Yes, ambivalent is the correct word. Not often I get my words wrong; but confusion remains for sure:)

Thank you Ashwin. And your comments are also much appreciated.

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Incidentally I read about drivers being fined for using ApplePay on their phone whilst at the Drive Through at McDonalds - i.e. whilst stationary in their car albeit with the engine running.

That goes too far in my opinion.

However, the idea of using CarPlay whilst driving seems just as dangerous. My car has that, but I don't use it as it seems counter productive to have to plug the phone into the USB each time you get in the car. That is what Bluetooth is supposed to avoid. Apart from that, I try to set the "InfoTainment" system as I want it before I start off :)
 

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In the UK, to use any function of a smart phone other than hands-free, you are required to be stationary (but not in a restricted area eg Double Yellow lines) and the engine turned off.

Many, many folk here do not realise that the engine must be turned off despite the legislation being in force for some years and numerous publicity statements and TV/Newspaper adverts.

But then, my local newspaper tells me that the police catch drivers holding the phone to their ear whilst driving, or texting whilst steering with their knees, at an average rate of 10/day over the area. Personal experience tells me that is an understatement.

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Well, Lisa, the story about the woman getting a $400 fine for looking at her  Watch at a traffic light is what triggered my comment. In that province, if you "interact" with a screen like that, it's a violation. So for those Canadians, the ability of the X line to unlock when you look at it could lead to a significant fine if a policeman is behind you and sees it wake up. My advice is don't put it where it can see your face, or when you turn to look at traffic it could see you looking at it and wake up.

Yes, I read the story. I wondered if I would have issues as I have a hands free holder and I run Waze on my phone which keeps the screen on - if I was in Canada. Recently Waze (or iOS 12) updated so it interfaces with my car's touch screen and I can shut off the phone screen. I didn't really like the change but maybe if the laws change where I am, or I travel to Canada, at this could help me avoid a ticket? Or at least until they include car touch screens.

I have never had my phone wake up when I was driving once I shut the screen off - and the phone is on because I listen to audio books that are on it. I have to physically tap the screen and look at it to wake it up - which is good.

And ... I am off topic! :eek:

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Ian - I road with a girlfriend once who was holding her phone with her shoulder, putting on makeup, eating a hamburger and driving all at the same time. Distracted??? Ya think! Needless to say, I drive now when we are together.

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Incidentally I read about drivers being fined for using ApplePay on their phone whilst at the Drive Through at McDonalds - i.e. whilst stationary in their car albeit with the engine running.

That goes too far in my opinion.



Waaaayyy too far I'd say, and that's a good example as to how some "Perfect Peter" officers give their police department a poor reputation and disrespect with such "by the book" incompetent idiot officers.





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The iPhone 6S+ needed a restart again today - running iOS12.

Not had this problem with my old iPhone 6S that is testing Beta of iOS12.1

However, not had the same problem on the iPhone SE that is also on iOS12 :)

Waiting for new Xr to be released before deciding what to buy.



Hmmm…??? Sounds to me like you already have too many cell phones.
Why not just use the one that works???





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Yes, I read the story. I wondered if I would have issues as I have a hands free holder and I run Waze on my phone which keeps the screen on - if I was in Canada. Recently Waze (or iOS 12) updated so it interfaces with my car's touch screen and I can shut off the phone screen. I didn't really like the change but maybe if the laws change where I am, or I travel to Canada, at this could help me avoid a ticket? Or at least until they include car touch screens.

I have never had my phone wake up when I was driving once I shut the screen off - and the phone is on because I listen to audio books that are on it. I have to physically tap the screen and look at it to wake it up - which is good.

And ... I am off topic! :eek:

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In another thread where this story was discussed, there was a link to the law in one of the posts. I read it for myself. It says basically that the driver cannot interact with any electronic device with a screen capable of communicating an electronic message. Nothing about it being portable in the law. So technically, it's a violation to drive my car with an electronic display that communicates electronic messages to me about the engine state, travel, etc. I'm not going to be driving in Canada any time soon, but the law as written, if strictly enforced, would make a violator of pretty much anyone who drives a new car.

As for the law in UK requiring the engine to be off, what about my Prius? It shuts down the engine whenever I stop, so if I'm in a line at a drive-through and the engine is off, is that sufficient to allow me to use my telephone to pay? Or do I have to turn off the entire car? What about my  watch? Can I use it to pay with the engine running? What about a tap and pay card? Is that legal with the engine running? I ask because the little device they use to process the card is an electronic device with a screen capable of transmitting an electronic message. Nothing in the law requires the device to be physically within the car. Which leads to an interesting dilemma if the police use one of those electronic message boards to warn drivers to move over. Technically, a policeman could just sit beside the board and wave over anyone who obeyed the instructions to get a ticket for "interacting" with an electronic device capable of communicating an electronic message.

My point is lawmakers don't know what they really want to do in all this, so they do whatever makes them feel good about it. What is the real hazard in using a phone? If it is that your hands need to be on the wheel, what about eating or drinking as you drive? Or tuning the radio, or setting the temperature, or adjusting the mirror, or the glare shields over the windshield? Is the intent that drivers must always have two hands on the wheel? What about adjusting the seat, or window? And in the case of the woman who was fined, what was the safety issue to the community that resulted from her not moving when the light turned green? Is it a law in Canada that one MUST move when the light is green? Is sitting stopped in a lane of stopped traffic a safety hazard, or just an inconvenience to the cop behind her?

If the intent is that the mental energy to talk on the phone is distracting, what about the radio, or streaming a talk show, or listening to the GPS directions? Or Waze traffic hazards? Or the kids in the back seat, or your mother-in-law in the passenger seat? What makes hands-free talking on the phone ok but holding it in one hand using the speaker function? Or up to the ear? Should the law require the driver to be silent, in a separate cabin with no controls except to drive and no access to any radio?

The bottom line is nobody really knows what is the right thing to do. And nobody I've heard of is doing any serious research about what the issue really is because we all "think" we know what the problem is. And yet we get on airplanes where the pilot is constantly talking to the ground controllers while flying, police cars have mounts for laptops right beside the driver seat, and radios in the console, and radios for communications are legal (CB, ham radio, etc).

Off the soapbox for now. Nice to be able to vent.
 
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Jake - I agree with what you have said. I also believe we write laws for just about everything we feel needs "fixed" because we all know a law will take care of any issue...that is sarcasm for those who do not get it. Biggest problem - LACK OF COMMON SENSE!

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So technically, it's a violation to drive my car with an electronic display that communicates electronic messages to me about the engine state, travel, etc. I'm not going to be driving in Canada any time soon, but the law as written, if strictly enforced, would make a violator of pretty much anyone who drives a new car.


I am sure not a lawyer, but this has basically been my understanding for some time and I have a hard time understanding what appears to be some hypocrisy on the translation and interpretation of the law.

I agree and appreciate the intention of the law, but too often it seems to be being applied with some sort of tunnel vision. There is so much more distraction offenses being committed, as well as tailgating that are just usually ignored.

Myself, along with my three children and another three children from another family all came very close to being killed in a head on collision many years ago when a seemingly headless driver steered his car right across the road and into the car we were in. Unfortunately, he was killed, and they figured out he was reaching around and behind the front passenger seat to get an audio cassette tape from the floor of his car to play. Both cars were completely destroyed and his young life cut short all due to just a few seconds of driver distraction.

So yes I am very aware of the possible consequences with hands on living experience.







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Biggest problem - LACK OF COMMON SENSE!


Ahhh yes… THAT, along with being INCOMPETENT and an IDIOT has been my most recent bones of contention lately that seems to be growing without any bounds.





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Ahhh yes… THAT, along with being INCOMPETENT and an IDIOT has been my most recent bones of contention lately that seems to be growing without any bounds.

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SOOOOO TRUE!!! IF I hear one more time "No one told me that" ..... well for those who know Bill Engvall, as he would say, "Here's your sign"... because if they had a sign we would know they were stupid, an idiot, incompetent, etc!

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"Here's your sign"... because if they had a sign we would know they were stupid, an idiot, incompetent, etc!


And here's one of my signs I've been spreading around… and my apologies if you've see it too many times...

who left the bag of idiots open.jpg




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Is there any difference between the new Xs and the original X please?

The original model is on sale at lower prices now :)

Given the prices has anyone else noticed the similarity between "Xs" and "excess" ?
 
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The Xs has a faster chip and faster neural processor, amongst other things.

And given that it's pronounced "Ten-S" it sound more like the sport than anything else. But I'm sure some pundit somewhere has referred to it as "excess."
 
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Thanks. So the original X is not necessarily a good idea?

I was referring to the new one as "excess" more tongue in cheek that seriously. I hadn't thought of the sport connection - i.e. tennis.
Of course, that makes the Xr linked to a certain incontinence product :)
 

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