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    Thanks Patrick, I tried using tools to adjust but still came large. I will read the support link you sent, Thanks.
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    Kenny, you need to show us the iCloud tab not the General tab in Photos/Preferences so we can see what your options are there.

    To resize images I just use Preview. The Tools option has a resize function. I usually just cut the number of pixels in half, then save the file. That new saved smaller file is what I upload.
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    Jake it is in reply #4
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    Kenny, your image and what I am seeing do not match. I'm in Photos 4.0. What version are you running? That's about the only reason I can see for the two options to be different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KennyC View Post
    Thanks Patrick, I tried using tools to adjust but still came large. I will read the support link you sent, Thanks.

    As Jake said Kenny, the image needs to be saved after any adjustment, and it's the one you want to upload.





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    My photo version is 4.0 (33421.5.230)
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    Last edited by KennyC; 02-11-2019 at 03:47 PM. Reason: add screenshot
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    I must have done something wrong when I imported my pictures. When I open finder and select pictures from the left pane it also has a folder called "photos library.photoslibrary" which has almost the same folders. But one has the new folder I created under home called "New Garage". This could be part of my photo problem. I'm including the print screens to show what I mean.
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    Well after 30 min with apple support I was told they are phasing out PhotoStream and if I want my photos to show on iMac when taken with iPhone I need more cloud space. Does this make sense to you folks?
    Last edited by KennyC; 02-12-2019 at 04:58 PM. Reason: more info+
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    I can't speak to the phasing out of PhotoStream, but wouldn't be surprised, given the way Photos syncs in iCloud. As far as making sense, assuming the folks you talked to actually know what Apple plans, then yes, it makes sense.
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    I don't understand why you would need more iCloud space, unless you want to store all images in iCloud, to always be available on all devices? If you only want to be able to get them onto one device (Mac?) for storage, then you should not need more iCloud space.
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    I don't understand why you would need more iCloud space,

    I think Apple is as confused as many users as to how their iCloud, syncing and sharing works and it seems to be a bloody confusing and just sometimes working mess.





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    Actually, it is relatively clear in practice. Photos syncs everywhere, Mac, iDevice, whatever, if you select iCloud, but that also means it syncs to iCloud, so your space there has to be large enough for the same sync that is on you Mac and iDevices. What's confusing about that?

    That said, as Bob pointed out, if all you want to do is get pictures off your iDevice and onto the Mac, you don't need iCloud. Image Capture will do that nicely and it's free.

    As usual, Apple provides options.
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    Thanks Bob, Patrick and Jake. I did get my images from iPhone to Mac with cable. Please bear with me on my ignorance of macOS but I believe I may have messed up when I migrated my photos from win box to Mac.

    If you look at thread #22, when I created a folder in Photos App called "New Garage" you see it there. When I open finder or trying to add those pic to a different thread here to show it that folder doesn't exist.

    When I asked Apple support I was told that is because all the folder's were brought over from migration.

    So did I do something wrong when I migrated because it doesn't make sense to me that I can create a folder in Photos App but not find it in finder. Also is "Photos Library.PhotosLibrary" the depository for all photos?

    Please look at my file structure in thread #22, when I open finder and select Pictures from the left pane I see all my picture folders and under those is "Photos Library.PhotosLibrary" which if I double click on it opens all those folders plus the one I created in the "Photos App". Sorry so long but very confused on this whole thing.
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    Kenny, you have mixed up a lot of terms in that last post. Let me try to explain a bit, although I am no expert on Photos.

    First, where pictures are stored depends on how you set it up in Photos. In Photos>Preferences, On the General tab there is an item labeled, "Copy Items to the Photos Library." When you check that box and then import pictures, the files themselves are imported from wherever you had them (Drive, camera, scanner, whatever), and are stored in the Photos Library.PhotosLibrary database. You should NEVER mess with that database directly, as it is just that, a database, and that if it gets mucked up you can lose all of the images stored in it. Once the images are stored in the database you can remove them from the internal drive for more space. (Most of us make a backup of them somewhere else, just in case.)

    Note that just below the place for the checkbox it says that, "Only items copied to the library will upload to iCloud Photos." So, if you don't check the box, what does Photos do? Well, in that case it leaves the files wherever they are and expects to find them right there later on. If you move them, Photos will complain that the image is gone.

    Inside Photos, the software doesn't use the term "folder" at all. They are Albums and Moments and Libraries, but not folders. That is because Photos doesn't mess with folders. The images are stored in a database and then the database uses indexes to keep track of changes to the images you may make, albums you may put them in, moments in which they may belong, etc. But none of that sorting will affect the file structure of the drive and be visible to you at all. It's all internal to the Photos database. Finder will see nothing, except that the Photos Library will grow over time even if you don't add any new images because it always keeps the original and then keeps all modifications you may make to that original (As long as you check the "copy" box, that is.)

    So, while the Apple folks were right, they were not useful to you. I suspect when you imported from the old location that the box was checked, so that as the images were imported they were copied to the database. But when you make a change in Photos that new Album is NOT reflected to the external drive as a folder because that is not how Photos works. It just flagged the images as part of that album and left them right were they were. Even if you had not checked the "copy" box, you still would not have a new folder on the drive as Photos doesn't manipulate folders, it would just change the internal database to say "that file, and that file, and that file all are now part of this album."

    Hope that helps some. Also, you can free up some space on your drive as any images that are actually copied into Photos can be removed from the drive as they are now stored in the Photos Library database.

    EDIT: Now, if you WANT to create a folder of images from Photos that you have collected into an Album, you can elect to Export the files from Photos and put all of the exported images into a folder. But that is a bit redundant if you have Photos already indexing them as an Album. I have done that a few times when I wanted to send a collection of images to someone, so I create an Album of what I want, then export all the images in that album to a folder to send to the destination. I then delete the folder as the images are still in the Photos Library, so I don't need to waste space.
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    A really superb reply and explanation from Jake.

    I doubt I'm adding anything really useful; but a Folder can never contain a photo, only an Album.

    I have no personal use for Folders, but as an example, you might have Created Albums for your holiday in A B C D E places (ie 5 Albums) or for individual years (an Album for each year).

    You could then Create a Folder called "Holidays" and place/move your 5 holiday Albums into that Folder (or Albums for individual years) so that ALL your holidays were kept in one place - a Folder containing Albums; with each Album containing photos.

    Not a big deal and quite possibly of little interest to you, but you never know.....

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