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    Catalina Mail.app replacements?
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    Catalina Mail.app replacements?
    OK, with 10.15.1 out and all my software that I need at 64-bit, I went ahead and moved to Catalina. All is well, but the changes in Mail are really annoying. I used to use "Classic" view, one line per email, with the From and Subject showing in a column view and with the highlighted message shown in a window below. The columns could be selected to show or not, and the size could be adjusted to preferences. No more. No more Classic view, and in the columns view, no option to select what to see or how wide the columns will be. In addition there is a totally useless black box on each line that says "To" and nothing else. But it doesn't show for all messages and does not seem to be tied to any given account. In other words, the "To" is random, but most messages have it.

    So I went looking for a replacement mail handler. Went to the MAS, didn't see anything close. Tried Spark, but it's even worse in display. Ditto for Outlook, which I have to use for my church email functions. What I want is something simple, like Mail used to be--one line per message, preview below the list, columns selectable and adjustable. Does such a beast exist?
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    Catalina Mail.app replacements?
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    OK, got rid of the "To" box. Apparently it will show if the email is "To" or "Cc" for you. But you can get rid of it in the top bar menu of Mail under View. Still can't size columns, but it's less annoying now. I have no idea why Apple decided to screw with this. Mail was pretty good as it was.

    Other than that, Catalina 10.15.1 seems to be pretty solid so far.
    Jake

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    Catalina Mail.app replacements?
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    Hi Jake:

    Yeah, I installed 10.15.1 today on my bootable Catalina SSD thinking that the Mail App would be fixed. No go. It's actually worse now than it was with 10.15. You're not alone about the Classic view being gone and the column problem. Lots of folks over at MacRumors have commented about it.

    I'm not sure which Mail app to suggest.... I've used Thunderbird Mail before and liked the layout but it's very different from the Apple Mail app. Don't know if you'll like it, but it's free.

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    Catalina Mail.app replacements?
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    My wife uses TB. I may go that way. For now, I'm slightly less annoyed now that the useless "To" is gone.
    Jake

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    Catalina Mail.app replacements?
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    Wow Jake, I haven't used Classic View for so long I forgot it was still an option in the previous version of Mail. Mind you I abandoned Mail about 6 years ago and opted for AirMail which is not a free app. It served me well for most of that time until Bloop adopted a by subscription business model for their iOS app at which point I jumped ship. I cannot recall if it had a classic view. To each their own though.

    Have a look here; THE 10 BEST Email Client Apps for Mac in 2019
    Both Nylas Mail and Airmail seem to suggest that a "classic" view, like Outlook is possible.
    Last edited by Rod; 10-29-2019 at 10:49 PM.
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    I take it this is not the view of Mail that you want?
    Just filling with Mail, I know its in Dark Mode but I assume this is not what you are after?

    Screen Shot 2019-10-30 at 10.52.38 am.png
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    For some reason this is the largest image I can post. ???
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    Catalina Mail.app replacements?
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    Rod, that is possibly the worst display for Mail, IMHO. You are correct, that is definitely what I do NOT want.
    Jake

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacInWin View Post
    Rod, that is possibly the worst display for Mail, IMHO. You are correct, that is definitely what I do NOT want.
    Can you post a screen shot of what you do want?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacInWin View Post
    So I went looking for a replacement mail handler.
    I don't know which of these might be precisely what you are looking for, but there are lots of choices for e-mail programs:

    GyazMail ($18)
    GyazMail -- An all-new email client for Mac OS X --
    Extremely similar to the classic Apple Mail!

    Canary ($20) both Mac and iOS versions
    Canary Mail - Best Email App for Mac & iOS with PGP Encryption
    ***Does encrypted mail.*** works well with Exchange and IMAP

    AirMail ($27)
    Airmail - Lightning Fast Mail Client for Mac and iPhone
    Airmail 3 on the Mac App Store
    Review:
    Review: Airmail, an exceedingly pretty but Gmail-centric alternative to Apple Mail - 9to5Mac
    AirMail will connect to an Exchange server!

    Postbox ($40 for a lifetime license)
    http://www.postbox-inc.com/
    Review:
    http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/09/09...-email-client/
    (This seems to be the consensus most popular alternative to Mail.)

    MailMate ($50)
    (IMAP only)
    http://freron.com/
    Review:
    http://www.macdrifter.com/2013/11/ma...lorations.html
    listserv:
    http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
    (Lots of previous Eudora users say good things about this program.)

    Mail Pilot (monthly fee)
    (IMAP only)
    https://mailpilothq.com/
    Review:
    http://www.macworld.com/article/2094...ductivity.html

    Inky (several versions-subscription)
    (IMAP only)
    http://inky.com/
    Review:
    http://techcrunch.com/2012/12/27/ink...eal-this-time/
    Inky (paid version) will connect to an Exchange server!
    Uses encryption for high security

    Unibox ($14)
    https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/unibox/id702816521
    https://www.uniboxapp.com/
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    Catalina Mail.app replacements?
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    I must confess I didn't notice any difference with Mail after the update to Catalina This is how mine looks.

    Screenshot 2019-10-30 at 10.34.10.jpg

    I have Office 365 so occasionally I run Outlook but it's a lot slower than Mail.
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    Catalina Mail.app replacements?
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    Just to make a minor point: The "To" and "CC" options have been present as an option (not default) at least as far back as Sierra.

    S1.jpg

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    There are also the options in the View menu,

    Screen Shot 2019-10-30 at 8.41.04 AM.png

    I don't remember what the classic View looks like? Was it a top/bottom display?

    Edit: If you turn off Show Side Preview, you get the top/bottom display again?
    Last edited by ferrarr; 10-30-2019 at 08:49 AM. Reason: added info
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    Still can't size columns

    Unless I'm missing something, all of the columns can be dragged to size.
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    OK, I spent about 20 minutes crafting a post, only to have it totally disappear. Oh, well, here it is, much less well composed:

    Screen Shot 2019-10-30 at 10.54.10 AM.png

    That is what I have now. It is called "Use Column Layout" under the View column. Bob, if you look at Post #12, you can see where "Classic" view used to be, but it's gone. In Classic view one could size the columns by dragging the boundary in the header bar. No more header bar, so no more dragging column sizes. In the old Classic view one could select what to show. No more. All you get to pick are whether or not to show the Date (default is time only), whether or not to show To/CC (default is to show), and whether or not to show message size. I don't need/want the blue dot for unread messages as unread messages are in bold font, I don't need to know I'm in the Inbox-Pobox because the sidebar shows me that (I didn't put in the sidebar because the website here now limits to 500 pixels in the images and it was fuzzy enough without the sidebar included when I shrank it down.) Bottom line, the display is now less functional and useful than it used to be. You can see the top of the selected message in the bottom. That is adjustable up and down. At least something remains!

    Pine Man, your display is the default, which I definitely don't want. Wasted space is an anathema when you get as much email as I do. I want a tight, compact display of as much about the mail as I can get.

    Randy, thanks for the tips, I'll take a look at them.
    Jake

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