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  1. #31
    So...kinda screwed at the moment...


    So, CCC finally finished cloning my iMac's Drive.

    I inserted the USB that I formatted and installed the macOS Mojave Installer App on yesterday.

    I rebooted into Recovery Mode.

    Disk Utility showed that my drive was 1 Partition, set up as APFS.

    I quit DU and then selected Install New OS, but the USB Stick was greyed out and it showed me the following message:

    IMG_0094.jpeg

    So...I followed those instructions and reformatted/wiped out the USB drive.

    I then went to my MacBook Pro (17", Mid-2009, El Capitan 10.11.6).

    Installed the USB drive, went to the App Store to download a copy of the macOS Mojave Install App and was given an error message that it can't be downloaded or installed on my MacBook Pro.

    So...I went back to the boot options on my iMac and selected Internet Help.
    It took me to an Apple Page that gave me these instructions:

    IMG_0103.jpeg

    But I wasn't paying attention and thought, "Okay, so I have to reinstall all the way back to Mountain Lion, and then will just upgrade to Mojave from there," forgetting that the Drive is now formatted for APFS, yet this Disk Utility has problems interfacing with said drive.....so now I have a Spinning Beach Ball of Death on my iMac, and the message and status bar you see in the picture below has been the same for the better part of an hour:

    IMG_0104.jpeg


    SOOOO.....
    1. Since my iMac is locked down with an older DU trying to figure out what APFS, and therefore my iMac is a big paperweight at the moment...
    2. And the fact that my MacBook Pro is old enough that the App Store won't even let me download the macOS Mojave Installer App because it thinks that I'm trying to install it to my MacBook instead of trying to use it for a Bootable USB Stick...
    3. CAN SOMEONE PLEASE UPLOAD/SEND ME the macOS Mojave Installer App from the App Store so that I can use Terminal on my MacBook Pro to create a Bootable USB Stick....again?


    I'm assuming, that even though my iMac is stuck, that I can do a Hard Reset, Boot from the USB Stick (once I've created it), and via the installation process, my iMac's Fusion Drive will be reformatted...correct?

  2. #32
    MAJOR HELP NEEDED! - re: 840GB of "Hidden" files and "Disk Error" due to iCloud Drive
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    The installer is only available on the store. The mistake you made is in the first image. You selected the USB stick to reformat, when what you wanted to select was Macintosh HD. You cannot format the drive from which you are booted. You can see that the error is pointing to the USB drive.

    EDIT: At this point if the machine is still sitting at that error, and you cannot move from there, just power it off by holding the power button for 10 seconds. Then see if it will boot. From the error message, it hasn't done anything to the internal drive yet. If you can, you can recreate the boot stick again. Or try booting from it again, it may still be usable, it's hard to tell

    If that doesn't work:

    What I would suggest at this time is to plug in the CCC backup and boot from there. Then you can recreate the USB bootable stick again and redo the process you started, but install Mojave to the Macintosh HD, not the Installer. Or you can go the long way and boot from the CCC backup, clone it back to the internal drive, boot from there, recreate the USB stick and try again.

    As for the fate of the fusion drive, it is impossible at this point to tell what you are going to end up with. Having run DU from a system that doesn't support either APFS or Fusion drives, the state of the drive is decidedly in the "unknown" category. With any luck, unless you did something to it, it may still be "fused" for Mojave. If it has become unfused it will appear as an SSD and a separate HD. If that has happened it is possible to re-fuse them, but the process is tricky. Given the struggle you are having, I would not recommend it for you. If it's become unfused, I would recommend you find a reliable Mac repair person to fix the mess.
    Jake

  3. #33
    MAJOR HELP NEEDED! - re: 840GB of "Hidden" files and "Disk Error" due to iCloud Drive
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    I didnt think fusion drives could be formatted APFS?
    That aside, can you hold down the option key on startup with your CCC backup attached and see if you can boot from that? It will be slow but if you did it right it should work. If so you can reverse the process and copy your clone back to the iMac. This may take some hours.


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  4. #34
    MAJOR HELP NEEDED! - re: 840GB of "Hidden" files and "Disk Error" due to iCloud Drive
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    Rod, Mojave does support fusion drives formatted APFS, and makes the change silently on install of Mojave. I think his drive may still be ok, but he keeps going back to an old version of Disk Utility to look at it and it thinks the drive has failed because it doesn't understand APFS. And then he thinks he needs to "fix" the drive when it may well be perfectly good. The only reason for wanting to reinstall Mojave clean is to get the muck cleaned out that is taking up 840GB of the drive. I also think the USB drive is still OK, and may well be bootable and usable.
    Jake

  5. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by MacInWin View Post
    The installer is only available on the store. The mistake you made is in the first image. You selected the USB stick to reformat, when what you wanted to select was Macintosh HD. You cannot format the drive from which you are booted. You can see that the error is pointing to the USB drive.
    Thanks for the timely reply.
    I'm a little confused about your message...while I did reformat the USB yesterday to create the USB Bootable Stick, the first picture in the post above shows that for some reason my iMac doesn't think the USB Stick was GUID Partitioned.
    I was actually in Recovery Mode, trying to boot from (what I thought/was told by Terminal), was a ready-to-go Bootable USB Stick.

    Am I missing something?...

  6. #36
    MAJOR HELP NEEDED! - re: 840GB of "Hidden" files and "Disk Error" due to iCloud Drive
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    From your pictures, you were trying to install Mojave to the the USB stick and it was complaining that it couldn't do that because of GUID. It may well have been more that it was the boot drive and that it was an installer thumb drive so GUID really isn't that critical. Once you boot with CMD-R or Option, you get a list of all bootable drives, one of which is the USB drive. Select that to boot. Then when you run the installer, you again see a set of drives to which you can install. If you look at your first image, it is from the installer, but you have selected the USB drive as the target and it has reported it cannot install. Had you used the arrow keys to move over the the Macintosh HD (which is the internal drive) it would have installed. But you didn't do that. You said you used Disk Utility to wipe out the USB drive, but you cannot do that if it is the boot drive, so you must have booted to something else, or moved the stick to a different machine to do that. You didn't say how you did the wiping. And that is why I said it *might* be usable still. Because if you tried to wipe it while booted from it, the wipe did NOT happen. The OS cannot wipe out the drive from which it is booted.

    Let me caution you that doing what you are doing is a little bit like juggling dynamite. You really do have to read the instructions given, read the screens you see, double, triple check before you start processes. Reinstalling the OS is not difficult, if you follow the directions exactly, but you can end up with a very expensive door stop if you do it wrong.

    I think the machine is still recoverable, in fact, may well be still be bootable from the internal drive. If so, you can use it to create the bootable USB if you need to. But I would try to boot from the USB thumb drive because it may well still be bootable and usable. If not, boot from the internal on the iMac and recreate the thumb drive installer, then boot from that and very carefully select "Macintosh HD" as the drive on which you want to install Mojave. And I would also disconnect all of the external drives from the machine while doing that, just for safety sake. I see other drives in the first image and you don't want to make a mistake and install to any of them. So disconnect any and all drives other than the iMac internal and the USB thumb drive for the installation process.
    Jake

  7. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by MacInWin View Post
    From your pictures, you were trying to install Mojave to the the USB stick and it was complaining that it couldn't do that because of GUID. It may well have been more that it was the boot drive and that it was an installer thumb drive so GUID really isn't that critical. Once you boot with CMD-R or Option, you get a list of all bootable drives, one of which is the USB drive. Select that to boot. Then when you run the installer, you again see a set of drives to which you can install. If you look at your first image, it is from the installer, but you have selected the USB drive as the target and it has reported it cannot install. Had you used the arrow keys to move over the the Macintosh HD (which is the internal drive) it would have installed. But you didn't do that. You said you used Disk Utility to wipe out the USB drive, but you cannot do that if it is the boot drive, so you must have booted to something else, or moved the stick to a different machine to do that. You didn't say how you did the wiping. And that is why I said it *might* be usable still. Because if you tried to wipe it while booted from it, the wipe did NOT happen. The OS cannot wipe out the drive from which it is booted.

    Let me caution you that doing what you are doing is a little bit like juggling dynamite. You really do have to read the instructions given, read the screens you see, double, triple check before you start processes. Reinstalling the OS is not difficult, if you follow the directions exactly, but you can end up with a very expensive door stop if you do it wrong.

    I think the machine is still recoverable, in fact, may well be still be bootable from the internal drive. If so, you can use it to create the bootable USB if you need to. But I would try to boot from the USB thumb drive because it may well still be bootable and usable. If not, boot from the internal on the iMac and recreate the thumb drive installer, then boot from that and very carefully select "Macintosh HD" as the drive on which you want to install Mojave. And I would also disconnect all of the external drives from the machine while doing that, just for safety sake. I see other drives in the first image and you don't want to make a mistake and install to any of them. So disconnect any and all drives other than the iMac internal and the USB thumb drive for the installation process.
    Back in Business!

    I thought there has to be a way around downloading directly from the App Store, and came across this guy’s “Patcher” App:

    http://dosdude1.com/mojave/

    Totally saved my ***.
    Easy to use, step-by-step instructions.
    Worked like a charm.

    @Jake
    Thank you SO much for all of your help.
    I appreciate your diligence in trying to walk me through the unknown, as well as my screwups.
    Greatly appreciated.

    Best regards,

    Justin

  8. #38
    MAJOR HELP NEEDED! - re: 840GB of "Hidden" files and "Disk Error" due to iCloud Drive
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    How about giving Jake the thumbs-up, Justin? He deserves it for all his effort

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