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    high sierra back to sierra? can it be done? how?
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    Quote Originally Posted by macgig View Post
    yep I have the spinning platter HD. I never shut mine down always use sleep mode, which worked fine with Sierra. but yes, that is an option I suppose.
    It takes courage at first because it intuitively implies that the Drive will give out sooner; but in fact, this is not the case.

    Spinning up your Drive from rest (asleep or off entirely) stresses the Drive with each power surge.

    And remember companies like Backblaze leave their spinning HDs on 24/7 for many months, or even years, at a time - in fact provide quarterly statistics on the failure rate of their Drives.

    So no harm doing this - arguably better for Drive longevity.

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    high sierra back to sierra? can it be done? how?
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    I've rarely had a problem with wake from sleep and bluetooth keyboards and mice. I bouht by first wireless keyboard shortly after the wireless keyboard came out. The only time I have had problems is with some of the cheapter third-party keyboards. As the batteries got low some are slow to wake up themselves and thus slow to wake the Mac.

    Does the keyboard drop its bluetooth connection often or is that staying intact? My first Apple keyboard started acting up (dropped connections, difficulty repairing, failure to wake up) after having been dropped onnto a hard floor numerous times over the years.
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    high sierra back to sierra? can it be done? how?
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    You may or may not like this "solution", but I have an iMac similar in age and broadly similar in specs. I rarely use sleep mode or shut down completely.

    One of the problems when trying to solve the Mac wake-up problem is determining whether the Mac was actually sleeping or maybe even Off, or is it the display just not coming back on. The effect appears to be the same, but the cause could be different.

    And even though the wireless keyboards are often blamed, the same problem also exists with a lot of the portable Mac models with their built-in keyboards.

    So is the Mac actually just still sleeping or is the display just not turning on???





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    I have a mini, and never use sleep. I have "Prevent computer from sleeping automatically when the display is off" checked and "Put hard disks to sleep when possible" unchecked.
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    high sierra back to sierra? can it be done? how?
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    @Ian
    You may or may not like this "solution", but I have an iMac similar in age and broadly similar in specs. I rarely use sleep mode or shut down completely.

    I run my iMac 24/7 with "Turn display off after 15 minutes".



    Ian, just to be clear, do you have Energy Saver set to "Never" for your drive, and 15 minutes for your display?





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    high sierra back to sierra? can it be done? how?
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    I have a mini, and never use sleep. I have "Prevent computer from sleeping automatically when the display is off" checked and "Put hard disks to sleep when possible" unchecked.

    I used to do the same with my iMac and then discovered that regardless of the settings, some hard drives will still spin down on their own accord regardless, but usually after a prolonged delay with no usage.

    Touching wood here, but I have never really had any problem with my Mac's wake up, except now, more often than not, only a press on the Space Bar works when pressing on any key or moving the mouse would always wake things up. Not always guaranteed lately, and that's even with using old Mavericks.


    @macgig
    I would definitely do a SMC reset with that iMac of yours. Then just do a quick check on your System Preferences Pref Panes like Date and Time and Start Up Disk etc. They often get reset to some default setting.





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    high sierra back to sierra? can it be done? how?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pm-r View Post
    @Ian





    Ian, just to be clear, do you have Energy Saver set to "Never" for your drive, and 15 minutes for your display?





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    Correct. But in later iterations of macOS, the nomenclature has changed. This is how I have Energy Saver set:

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    Easier shown than said in words.

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    high sierra back to sierra? can it be done? how?
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    Easier shown than said in words.

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    MUCH!!!

    Thanks Ian,

    Much clearer as well as different.





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    SMC reset did the trick it looks like. FYI. so far so good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by macgig View Post
    SMC reset did the trick it looks like. FYI. so far so good.

    Good to hear, let's hope the fix sticks.





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    spoke too soon. doing it again. it let me long in this time with the password, then everything locks up (keyboard and mouse does nothing) and I get this screen. have to power off to get the keyboard and mouse working again. never an issue with Sierra, only High Sierra. I hate bluetooth im ready to get a wired keyboard and mouse.
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    just found this on the apple discussions. hopefully this will fix it?

    Hold down Option & Shift while clicking on the Bluetooth icon to the left of the clock on the right side of menu bar, select DEBUG and then RESET THE BLUETOOTH MODULE.

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    just found this on the apple discussions. hopefully this will fix it?


    Hopefully that will fix the problem for you — let us know...

    Those BT errors and other nuances are the main reason I stick to my old wired Apple extended keyboard and Logitech wireless USB/dongle mouse.







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    Quote Originally Posted by macgig View Post
    just found this on the apple discussions. hopefully this will fix it?

    Hold down Option & Shift while clicking on the Bluetooth icon to the left of the clock on the right side of menu bar, select DEBUG and then RESET THE BLUETOOTH MODULE.
    Thanks for that, I will put that in my notebook for fixes, too.
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