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    Question El Capitan - Shut Down
    Since I installed El Capitan, my Mac frequently refuses to shut dow. It starts shutting down, then automatically reboots with the message "you have shut down because of a problem.....". Never had that before.

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    Try disabling FileVault: System preferences > Security and privacy > FileVault.

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    How very odd so many posts lately folks using FileVault. Must be a lot of KGB spies about. Very dangerous software FileVault for the unwary.
    Using OS X.7 or later make a bootable USB thumb drive before running Installer!

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    chas_m
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    ^^^^^ What Harry said!

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    Quote Originally Posted by harryb2448 View Post
    How very odd so many posts lately folks using FileVault. Must be a lot of KGB spies about. Very dangerous software FileVault for the unwary.
    My new machine came with it switched on by default.

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    @badshoehabit,

    You are not the first person to say that their new Mac arrived with File Vault switched on. I presume brand new.

    I find this very hard to understand.

    I am not disbelieving you; just can't comprehend why Apple (by implication) would ever do such a thing on a brand new Mac. Now, I can see how a user who had previously used File Vault on another Mac, backed up to Time Machine and then restored the new Mac from Time Machine could experience this.

    I could maybe understand someone buying a Mac second-hand which had not been properly set up for sale having this issue.

    Anyway, I agree with my colleagues that File Vault is a dodgy thing to mess with; but I scare easily! Like, I never use Terminal (my incompetence, nothing wrong with it).

    Ian
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    Had never heard of FileVault before the new Mac in September. I did transfer my data from TM but had never had any such issues with the old machine. The 'genius' at the Apple store knew straight away what was awry. Wonder why it is available, especially as it causes known problems?

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    I recently did a complete reinstall of El Capitan from my recovery partition and the choice to use FileVault was selected by default (I deselected it).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob_Stan View Post
    I recently did a complete reinstall of El Capitan from my recovery partition and the choice to use FileVault was selected by default (I deselected it).
    This is another "Nanny" Apple thing. We know what's best for you!

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    chas_m
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    Quote Originally Posted by IWT View Post
    @badshoehabit,

    You are not the first person to say that their new Mac arrived with File Vault switched on. I presume brand new.

    I find this very hard to understand.
    You're right, and that's because what badshoehabit said is not completely true.

    I set up new machines all the time, what actually happens is that you get an *offer* to turn on Filevault during setup, and that turning it on *and* allowing the use of iCloud to rescue you if you forget the password (a new wrinkle) are both checked. This has been the case since Yosemite.



    Anyway, bottom line is that it's only "on by default" if you just click through unquestioningly (which, sadly, a lot of people do). It still requires user consent -- the Mac HD is not encrypted out of the factory.

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    I just installed El Cap on my used (but new to me MBP 13" and got what Chas posted above. I said no to it all!

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    chas_m
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    I accept Apple's promise that Filevault 2 (Electric Boogaloo) is much better than FV 1, and I'm glad that they now have a way to recover the password, but I still say it's well overkill for typical users. If you need it, you know why you need it, and that's the end of that.

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    You're probably right, I most likely did accept, thinking that it was to my benefit. Famous last words!

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    I just setup a 2015 Macbook Pro on 12/19. Previous mbp was a mid 2012 and find several things are different. I did find that during setup, turning Firevault on was a choice and I chose not to. The default is here to choose Fire Vault on and use your icloud password as your Admin password so thats probably where the confusion comes from that firevault is already turned on by default. Later I realized I had to change my Admin password from my icloud password to something I selected tho. In my case, I am the only person that ever touches my computer. It seemed I was being asked to put my password in constantly, did not like that and I was blocked from selected Automatic Login under my Admin Account when my icloud password was used.

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    Whenever FileVault is turned on, you can not bypass the login password as the system will dissallow it. And of course, that makes good sense.

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