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    Thanks folks. A great list up there.

    Now if we could just figure out how to get the 200-400 people that take a look at the thread every month to actually vote while they're here. 19 votes, that's pretty pathetic.
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    Well done bobtomay but what a disappointment nineteen members ONLY voted. Let's do away with MOTM as it is so poorly supported.

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    Perhaps some more "advertising" of the MOTM process would help. I would gladly put a link in my signature if it was deemed helpful.

    I would like to suggest that perhaps a thread in Anything Goes along with links would be a good start at increasing awareness of the process. I think that this will help draw awareness to it.

    While I can understand your frustration harryb2448, I have to respectfully disagree. While I acknowledge that I have only really been an active member for the last month and a half or so (contrary to what my date joined might say), I have to say that I think it's a great feature of the forums. I think it's right that those who have made worthy and frequent contributions to the community be recognized for their effort to help others. I think that instead of scrapping the MOTM process, alternatives should be explored that will help increase participation.

    Sorry if this is a hijack of the thread. That said, let me know if there is anything I can do to help.
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    I agree, vansmith. We have plenty of members here, so we must not be promoting it right.

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    Periodically, Motm struggles to get the amount of activity that we'd like to see. Our regulars do a good job to promote it with linking in signatures, etc. Currently, there is not a lot of involvement from people outside our regulars. There are always going to be some members who are not going to be concerned with the Motm program enough to vote, that's fine.

    Placing of the Motm nominations and polls in "Anything Goes" has come up, but we are trying to avoid placing any community related announced topics in that forum. Sometimes, "Not just anything goes in Anything Goes".

    At this point, we don't see any reason to discontinue due to the lack of participation from the community. If Motm is due for a revamped version, we'll look into that too. However, we do like to recognize our members who go out of there way to help others in the community and who make community also. This is our way of recognizing those members.

    If there are any ideas to help Motm, we are open to any productive advice from you guys.

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    We have allegedly 67,722 members and nineteen vote? That is 0.003% by my calculations. Anything that poorly supported needs a quick, painless death. Surely bobtomay deserved much, much more than eight votes!!

    Surely iWhat is not suggesting those nineteen voters make up all our regulars?

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    I'm just curious... I've been nominated for the last.. 4 months or so, and everytime the poll comes around, my name is never on it. Any reason why? Do you pick the "top 4" or something similar?

    I don't really care, I'm just curious!

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    As a member with "lower standing" (not sure how to word this any other way) in the community, I think I can explain this. There is a sense of intimidation for those who have not been members for a very long time. These individuals may think things like, "why should I vote?" and "I'm new and probably don't have the 'right' to vote". While I can't speak for all individuals, I know I experience this feeling when I'm new to a community. Perhaps a solution to this would be to emphasize that the MOTM program is open to, and should have the involvement of, all the members of the community regardless of how long they have been a member of the community.

    All of the previous statements are conjectures. Perhaps I'm just trying to speak on behalf of the "new people". That said, I would be confident in making the claim that if we could see who voted in the last MOTM poll that the population of voters would be dominated by or completely composed of individuals who are established members of the community. This is where I see the problem lying. Solving the dominance of established members in the MOTM poll will make the process truly welcoming to the whole community. I don't really have any good solutions to this problem right now but I believe that if you solve this, you solve the apathy in the MOTM polls.
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    Either that or since the problem appears to be apathy, have the Mods vote amongst themselves. I would be glad to accept whoever you guys vote in each month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harryb2448 View Post
    We have allegedly 67,722 members and nineteen vote? That is 0.003% by my calculations. Anything that poorly supported needs a quick, painless death. Surely bobtomay deserved much, much more than eight votes!!

    Surely iWhat is not suggesting those nineteen voters make up all our regulars?
    I'm more or so commenting on that there is more involvement from regulars in the nomination process. I'd really like to see a few more nominations from newer members who had a positive experience from another member in the community.

    Something that puzzles me today. You see the amount of guests who visit the forums during peek hours of the day -- around 2200 guests. But we'll only have about less than 50 registered members during anytime of the day. Even these 2200 people don't feel compelled to register at Mac-forums, but they are fine just being a visitor.

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkArt View Post
    I'm just curious... I've been nominated for the last.. 4 months or so, and everytime the poll comes around, my name is never on it. Any reason why? Do you pick the "top 4" or something similar?

    I don't really care, I'm just curious!
    Without going into detail, one of our main rules that we look to first is our background check, not only nominees, but also the nominators themselves.

    Quote Originally Posted by vansmith View Post
    As a member with "lower standing" (not sure how to word this any other way) in the community, I think I can explain this. There is a sense of intimidation for those who have not been members for a very long time. These individuals may think things like, "why should I vote?" and "I'm new and probably don't have the 'right' to vote". While I can't speak for all individuals, I know I experience this feeling when I'm new to a community. Perhaps a solution to this would be to emphasize that the MOTM program is open to, and should have the involvement of, all the members of the community regardless of how long they have been a member of the community.

    All of the previous statements are conjectures. Perhaps I'm just trying to speak on behalf of the "new people". That said, I would be confident in making the claim that if we could see who voted in the last MOTM poll that the population of voters would be dominated by or completely composed of individuals who are established members of the community. This is where I see the problem lying. Solving the dominance of established members in the MOTM poll will make the process truly welcoming to the whole community. I don't really have any good solutions to this problem right now but I believe that if you solve this, you solve the apathy in the MOTM polls.
    We'd definitely love to have our newer members be more involved in our motm program. However, it's up to them, how involved they want to be in the community. Some newcomers will post a thread, get a response they are seeking, then leave for an indefinite amount of time. Others will stay and learn for a bit. But at what point do they finally start looking into the other forums, seeing what the community is about, and then have an active role in our community. How do we make this happen more? We do try to make our community a very friendly environment and put a damper on any situation, where someone would feel timid in being active from others' actions. But those situations are pretty non-existant and mild, from what I've noticed over time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PapaNoHair View Post
    Either that or since the problem appears to be apathy, have the Mods vote amongst themselves. I would be glad to accept whoever you guys vote in each month.
    We've definitely pondered this idea at times.

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    The only problem I can see with the moderator only vote approach is that it's not really democratic as it silences the voices of those who have been most affected by helpful members. How often are moderators helped by members of the forums?
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    Good point but if the helpful members are not voting.......perhaps it could be moderators but they could partially or fully back off as the number of members voting increases.

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    My 2 cents .....

    First of all, I don't want to punch holes in someone's strategy, but I would like to share my honest opinion.

    Compare the MOTM process with an employee survey that is run in all major companies worldwide at regular intervals.
    The objectives may be different but the process is the same.

    In order to make any survey a success:
    1) Create awareness of the process amongst your targetted audience and explain the value of the process ..... active marketing vs. a static message
    2) Provide transparency of the rules and the process. ( if there are ' hidden ' rules/criteria, unknown to the participants ... people will disconnect )
    3) Create appetite to participate by showing the participants what the value is for them

    Personally I don't need member x to be MOTM to trust his opinion. There are a lot of good people here who's contributions are really helpfull, without being MOTM. ( That's the reason I came here and I stayed )

    As Harry said ..... if the process isn't adding value to the objectives then it might as well be binned.

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